First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: 67 engine paint color by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> RE: V8 torque specs by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Hooker Super Comp Headers... by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: RE: V8 torque specs by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: compresion question by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Engine paint... by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> coil springs by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Vol. Reg. Capacitor by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Pitman arm by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Re: Carb rebuild by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: pitman arm by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Ram Air 101 by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Muscle Car Review by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Hooker Super Comp Headers... by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> coil springs by "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Re: Pitman arm by <Jimc2002@aol.com> paint color and torque specs by "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Re: coil springs by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> New Guy,be patient by <OSeaghda@aol.com> Re: Turbo TA Info by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> 68 firebird "TA" by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Re: tough bolts... by "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Re:coil springs by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: commercial by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> More Pitman arm... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: commercial by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: RE: 67 engine paint color From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:45:10 -0500 Jim, I'm guessing that you expected the 227 blue metallic to be greener. Truth is, the 227 is the right color - for a fresh engine. The color ages with = the heat and gets the nice green shine after a while. Regards, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Miller [mailto:jimdmi@kcdata.com] .......................................................................... Just finished freshening up my 326 and want to paint. Unfortunately, due = to a computer glich,I missed all the correct engine color responses so I have to ask again. I purchased some Plastic-coat Pontiac 227 engine paint and = its too blue. Anyone know the correct color? Jim Miller
(back) Subject: RE: V8 torque specs From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:46:32 -0500 The 1967 service manual! I have a 68, so I cant help you, but I bet one of the guys on the list can. Regards, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Miller [mailto:jimdmi@kcdata.com] Does anyone have a one stop source for engine bolt torque specs for a 326?
(back) Subject: Hooker Super Comp Headers... From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:34:55 -0600 hey brett you said that you have hooker supercomp headers on your 455? i think that was you the e-mail had a few replies on it. i have a 400 in my 68 coupe and i can't get the supercomps to fit past my power steering box. = i have resorted to teaching my self to weld so that i can cut the offending tube out of the way and re- weld it somewhere ealse. i didn't know that 68's and 69's had a different frame setup in the front end. are the cars different?? do you have power steering or manual steering? thanks --danny rietman 68 400 coupe. new mexico Hi Danny, Mine JUST clear the power steering box. The car was modified when I bought it. As in 4 wheel disc brakes, a corvette brake booster, master cylinder and proportioning valve, and a whole lot more. It looks like the steering box is new so I can't say for sure if it is a stock 67 Pontiac replacement or not? But it looks to be... It is tight, but doesn't touch... Mine is a 67' and as far as I know 67-69 sub frames are basically the same. But 67/68 should be exactly the same. Sorry I can't be much more help? I could get some numbers off of the power steering box and try to look it up and or I could take a few pictures and send them to you so you can see the fit, once I get it done? Let me know if I can help in any way? Brett - 67 Drop Top 455
(back) Subject: Re: RE: V8 torque specs From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:14:52 -0700 John, Super web page. Thanks Larry Diede ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: compresion question From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:35:46 -0500 thanks all!! Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Engine paint... From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:34:42 -0600 Subject: 67 engine paint color From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> I missed all the correct engine color responses so I have to ask again. I purchased some Plastic-coat Pontiac 227 engine paint and its too blue. Anyone know the correct color? Jim Miller ___________________________________________________________________________= _ Jim, I had a hard time finding the correct "Early" Pontiac Metallic Blue paint, until I found Bill Hirsch engine paints. They were the only ones that = listed a difference between the "Early" and "Late" paint colors: PONTIAC METALLIC BLUE 1966-72 (LIGHTER)* PONTIAC METALLIC BLUE 1974-77 (DARKER) They sell it in either pints for a spray gun or aerosol cans. I ordered = two cans and it took just one for the whole job. Looks great and it's rated at higher temps than anything else I've found. Go check them out here: http://hirschauto.com/prod01.htm#EngineEnamels This is another one I found, but I know nothing about them? http://www.imperialrestoration.com/engine.htm To look at my 455 with a fresh paint job: http://www.geocities.com/jetta2point0/Firebird1.html Good luck, Brett - 67 Drop Top 455
(back) Subject: coil springs From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:05:54 -0500 getting ready to change front coil springs since I'm installing 455.anyone have any input on suppliers,good or bad?thanks in advance,Larry
(back) Subject: Vol. Reg. Capacitor From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:47:41 -0800 Thanks for the input all. I'm going up to see a guy with a bunch of used Bird part's in a week. I'll try him first. If not, thanks for the phone # Jim. That'll be my second option. Chris ` 68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Pitman arm From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:52:30 -0800 >For anyone out there with a 67 V8 with power steering: `67 & `68 are the same. My `68 has a curved arm. I'm pretty sure they all did, with V-8's. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Carb rebuild From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:08:05 -0800 I had good luck with JC whitney www.jcwhitney.com You will have to call them or order a catalog, as their web catalog is not = very complete. I got a rebuild kit for an electronic Qjet for $13! it was of better quality than the one my local dealer tried to sell me for $55. 60,000 miles later, that car still runs strong. Rowan >From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> >Where is the best place to get a carb rebuild kit from? Best and cheapest = I >guess would be the way I should put it. Thanks > >Matt >'68 350 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: pitman arm From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:20:13 -0800 no interchange unless you switch to manual steering ; ( the curved arm is the proper part. As I remember: manual steering box has a smaller diameter pitman shaft straight(6cyl)arm hits V8 exhaust 6cyl centerlink has the tapers for piman and idler arms, but for V8 they = are in the arms instead. manual steering arms at the spindle are shorter, possibley the pitman and idler arms as well. Classic industries has new curved pitman arms for about $130 delivered. I do know a guy who is rebuilding these things, esp. center links, but I will not recomend that till I see how they hold up..I have my doubts on = that one. Rowan >From: Paul and Sarah <psb357@altavista.com> > >Greetings, > >For anyone out there with a 67 V8 with power steering: is your pitman = arm >the curved or straight style? Is there a difference in the center link >between the two? Not sure if they are interchangeable (with some >adjustment). > >Thanks, >Paul Beers >67 400 conv _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Ram Air 101 From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:28 -0800 In installing my EFI motor, I have a great deal of freedom of design for the air intake system. The only rule is it must come from the front. I know my engine will respond best to cold forced air. A 5lb. supercharger can be installed with nothing but a fuel pump change. = >From this, I assume the ECM will deal with any changes I make, but if not = I do have a bro who can reprogram my chip. It seems to me that a carb might be upset by too much pressure added, especialy as it would be relatively minor on the street, but a lot at say 100mph. My system has a MAF sensor that measures the actual amount of air that enters the engine, and fuel is adjusted based on that. What I am looking for is information on sizing my ram air snorkel. Do I just go as big as I can (the entire grille opening becomes a giant scoop while the radiator is fed by the chin breathing kit from the donor car), or is there some practial limitation? any input, links, or formulae would be welcome. Thanks, Rowan *68 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Muscle Car Review From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:07:41 -0500 Anybody get or read the magazine "Muscle car review"? Did you see the "small block shootout" that pitched a 69 350ci H.O. against other 61-72 = year small blocks at the track? It did ok in the drag shootout...4th of 10 = with a fast time of approx 14:10 (by the way, enging was in a fairly heavy = Custom S (?) Tempest. Thought it was very interesting, since it beat out the = likes of all the Fords and Mopars hands down. The top 4 cars were all = GM's....of course Keith 68 H.O. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Hooker Super Comp Headers... From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:52:32 -0800 I have the later steering box, and it is outwardly the same as the = original Rowan ps. we are lucky the Poncho motor mount is a firm peice, if it were more flexy, there'd be all kinds of trouble for us Rowan >From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> >hey brett you said that you have hooker supercomp headers on your 455? i >think that was you the e-mail had a few replies on it. i have a 400 in = my >68 coupe and i can't get the supercomps to fit past my power steering = box. >i >have resorted to teaching my self to weld so that i can cut the = offending >tube out of the way and re- weld it somewhere ealse. i didn't know that >68's and 69's had a different frame setup in the front end. are the cars >different?? do you have power steering or manual steering? thanks > --danny rietman 68 400 coupe. new mexico > >Hi Danny, Mine JUST clear the power steering box. The car was modified >when I bought it. As in 4 wheel disc brakes, a corvette brake booster, >master cylinder and proportioning valve, and a whole lot more. It looks >like the steering box is new so I can't say for sure if it is a stock >67 Pontiac replacement or not? But it looks to be... It is tight, but >doesn't touch... Mine is a 67' and as far as I know 67-69 sub frames are >basically the same. But 67/68 should be exactly the same. > >Sorry I can't be much more help? I could get some numbers off of the >power steering box and try to look it up and or I could take a few >pictures and send them to you so you can see the fit, once I get it done? > >Let me know if I can help in any way? > >Brett - 67 Drop Top 455 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: coil springs From: "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:45:50 -0800 Why do you need to change the coil springs. A 455 doesnt weigh much more than te 350 or 400. Craig getting ready to change front coil springs since I'm installing 455.anyone have any input on suppliers,good or bad?thanks in advance,Larry
(back) Subject: Re: Pitman arm From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:27:20 EST Chris, I've seen this discussion before and had questions on definition of = "curved". Maybe you can help me understand this. The reason, my 68 400 has what I would define as a straight pitman arm and I've wondered if it has the = wrong arm. It was last replaced in 1982 by a GM dealer's service. (Yes I have almost all records since I got the car in '69.) It appears that pitman = arms in catalogs and illustrations have either one or two curves in them. = First, like mine, the connection to the steering box and center link are on different planes so it curves vertically. In addition, I've seen arms = that also curve horizontally so that when the wheels are straight ahead, the = arm connects to the center link closer to the center of the car than the connection to the steering gear. Just curiosity? Jim 68 400HO Convert
(back) Subject: paint color and torque specs From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:30:05 -0600 Thanks all for the replies. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: coil springs From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:38:36 -0500 Torque my man...torque...Not necessarily weight. Not a bad idea to change them when engine is out..By the way, Eaton Spring, here in Detroit has the = hook up for the best OEM springs anywhere..Got mine last week for a bill = and change..They supply Year One, CP, CI Etc...Talk to Kim.. Tom Why do you need to change the coil springs. A 455 doesnt weigh much more than te 350 or 400. Craig getting ready to change front coil springs since I'm installing 455.anyone have any input on suppliers,good or bad?thanks in advance,Larry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: '69 TA Convert ebay auction.... From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:46:01 -0800 wow... i guess it was only a matter of time before this happened...i am VERY curious to see how this pans out... joe http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5746 10556&r=3D0&t=3D0
(back) Subject: New Guy,be patient From: <OSeaghda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:55:38 EST Forgive if this covers old ground. 68 400 Conv. t-400 trans Deluxe interior Manual front disc brakes Where can I find a master cylinder? Remote mirror: What the hell does it look like? Round? Square? Find one? Rally wheels to fit giant front calipers: is there a secret to finding = some that won't rub? I DO NOT want to swap out to '69 brakes. I found a '69 ratchet shifter that is too much fun to give up, can the N-safety switch/reverse switch be adapted to this shifter? THNX-N-RGRDS Dan
(back) Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:23:11 -0500 Not so fast, my friend.... Without actually seeing one it would be difficult to lend advise since I don't know exactly how the turbos were connected. But, a factory turbo = setup adapted to a first gen would be soooo fine! Don't let the fact that the turbo was connected to the 301 boat anchor. I've been doing a little research on turbos lately for one of my other Pontiacs. The most complicated thing about turbocharging a motor is the spark control. The rest can be re-fabricated. Turbots come in all sizes = and any of the turbo dealers would be very happy to help you with that task. = The 301 turbo may be too small for a 455 but I know they make them plenty = large enough (think diesel). If you could take out the factory spark control system and use the exhaust manifolds, you could have any piping redone = (just check out all the ricer shops these days). With the right turbo (or = turbos) your motor could easily make enough power to scare you -- even more than = it may now. If the car is cheap and complete, it could be worth looking into. I seem = to remember someone one this list actually owning one at one time. Maybe he = can give more details. I say, don't blow it off until you've REALLY looked in = to it. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Thanks for all the input. I'm not exactly in love with 2nd gen TAs, with > exceprtion to 70-73. I know what a disgrace the 301 is compared to = earlier > Poncho Power Plants. Was only considering the car with regards to replacing > the mill. Now I know. Pete > >
(back) Subject: 68 firebird "TA" From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:20:50 -0800 thanks to domre great detective work from fellow lister todd young...heres more info on that "68 firebird TA" with the 302 http://www.pontiac75.com/motor6.html joe
(back) Subject: Re: tough bolts... From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:19:05 -0800 > > I have a similar tool called an "Impact Driver". It performes the same > way, > but is shaped like a large screwdriver. Mine came with four screwdriver > blades and also will fit a socket. I've never tried it on a bolt, but it > works great on screws. Mine is a noname, but I'm sure they a readily > available. My Dad had one, and I'm pretty sure it was a Craftsman. > > Lance > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:52 AM > Subject: tough bolts... > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > ........................................................................ > > > > > > > > there is a tool called an "easy out" it is designed to remove really > tough > > bolts /screws etc. it works great. i am a helicopter mechanic in the > > airforce and we use them all the time to pull titanium bolts out of > > magnesium gearboxes. you can't hammer on it or it will crack the > magnesium, > > so what you do is to place the easyout on the head of the bolt and tap > on > it > > lightly it acts like an impact wrench and twists the bolt out a = little > at > a > > time. i have removed stuff up to 800 ft-lbs of torq with these. i = have > no > > idea where you can buy them though?? but for everyone out there with > some > > rusty bolts this works great. -danny rietman 68 400 coupe > > > >
(back) Subject: Re:coil springs From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:57:39 -0500 Need to change because....it was 6 cylinder.Larry
(back) Subject: Re: commercial From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:27:47 -0800 Hey : John I have not seen any commercial's with Pontiac's in them , just the Chevy one. I will be looking again tonite . Joe
(back) Subject: More Pitman arm... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:14:12 -0800 Jim, my original pitman arm ( VERY WORN OUT ! ) is "c" shaped. I had mine replaced last year, but kept the old one. I just took a peek at it. It is "C" shaped, but does drop about 1" with the horizontal plane of the steering box spline. Is this the info you were after, or just checking on ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: Hooker Super Comp Headers... From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:11:42 -0500 Just some info for you guys....I put an aftermarket AGR steering box in my 69 with a set of super comps...Be very careful about the space between the header and the box. There must be some space for ventilation. As I was driving the car for about 15 minutes the steering wheelstarted to become choppy. I later found out by process of a blown brand new steering box = that because there was not enough air flow space, the power steering fluid = boiled from the heat of the header and fried the worm gears....Thought this may come in handy to al of those putting headers in our BIRDS.....Mace 69 355 Drop-Top I have the later steering box, and it is outwardly the same as the = original Rowan ps. we are lucky the Poncho motor mount is a firm peice, if it were more flexy, there'd be all kinds of trouble for us Rowan >From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> >hey brett you said that you have hooker supercomp headers on your 455? i >think that was you the e-mail had a few replies on it. i have a 400 in = my >68 coupe and i can't get the supercomps to fit past my power steering = box. >i >have resorted to teaching my self to weld so that i can cut the = offending >tube out of the way and re- weld it somewhere ealse. i didn't know that >68's and 69's had a different frame setup in the front end. are the cars >different?? do you have power steering or manual steering? thanks > --danny rietman 68 400 coupe. new mexico > >Hi Danny, Mine JUST clear the power steering box. The car was modified >when I bought it. As in 4 wheel disc brakes, a corvette brake booster, >master cylinder and proportioning valve, and a whole lot more. It looks >like the steering box is new so I can't say for sure if it is a stock >67 Pontiac replacement or not? But it looks to be... It is tight, but >doesn't touch... Mine is a 67' and as far as I know 67-69 sub frames are >basically the same. But 67/68 should be exactly the same. > >Sorry I can't be much more help? I could get some numbers off of the >power steering box and try to look it up and or I could take a few >pictures and send them to you so you can see the fit, once I get it done? > >Let me know if I can help in any way? > >Brett - 67 Drop Top 455
(back) Subject: Re: commercial From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:27:45 You guys watch too much TV, and I thought I was bad, being a college = student and all. I guess you guys get to come home from work and watch tv, I have = to do that crappy homework/study stuff. I don't even get to watch The = Simpsons sometimes....now THERE's a tragedy!! Matt >From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Re: commercial >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:27:47 -0800 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey : John > I have not seen any commercial's with Pontiac's in them , = just >the Chevy one. >I will be looking again tonite . _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com