First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Volt. Reg. Capacitor by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Pontiac Car Show -S FLA (POCI Hurricane chapter) by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Carb rebuild by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Rear End by "Dan Lawrence" <danl@fdn.com> Re: Turbo TA Info by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Turbo advise... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> What's it worth, '72 455? by <Cmadkin1@aol.com> Cruise control by <Cmadkin1@aol.com> PHS questions by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Re: Volt. Reg. Capacitor by <Jimc2002@aol.com> 67 engine paint color by "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> compresion question by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> V8 torque specs by "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Re: What's it worth, '72 455? by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> RE: What's it worth, '72 455? by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: What's it worth, '72 455? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> pitman arm by "Paul and Sarah" <psb357@altavista.com> RE: compresion question by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> RE: V8 torque specs by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Re: What's it worth, '72 455? by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: compresion question by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: compresion question by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se>
(back) Subject: Re: Volt. Reg. Capacitor From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:39:15 -0700 I have made it a habit to pull them when ever I see them in the salvage = yards. It is the only place I have found to get them. They clean up = really well. Larry Diede Denver, CO ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Pontiac Car Show -S FLA (POCI Hurricane chapter) From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:13:15 -0800 --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1226319299=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" ; format=3D"flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, Our POCI chapter here in s Fla is hosting its first annual car show.=3D20 =3D46or all you fla-heads you should really try to make it! the date = is=3D20 april 14th and it will be located in broward county. I will be=3D20 bringing my (no where near done) RA I coupe out. I mention that in=3D20 the hopes that you all bring your bird/pontiac NO MATTER what=3D20 condition its currently in...this ISNT a trailer queen event ;> It=3D20 should be a lot of fun! take care, joe BTW we made it a BOP event so as to increase the number of cars we=3D20 could get. next year with one under our belt we might try an all=3D20 pontiacs show. ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ The First Annual Buick/Oldsmobile/ Pontiac car show is coming Saturday, April 14th! The new Hurricane Chapter of Pontiac-Oakland Club International is hosting Fort Lauderdale's very first Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac (B.O.P.) car show. B.O.P. car shows are very popular across the country and until now were only held in the Orlando area. Sponsored by Pines Pontiac-GMC Truck of Pembroke Pines, the show will be held at the dealer on Pines Blvd, west of I-75, on Saturday, April 14th from 9:30am to 3:00pm. The show promises to be exciting for everyone with over 100 classic automobiles and a live radio broadcast by Magic 102.7. Come for the great oldies music, smoker barbecue, and hourly raffles with two round trip tickets on American Airlines as the grand prize. There will also be a clown performing for the kids with face painting included! Come join the fun. Spectator admission is free. The show is open to proud owners of classic Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac automobiles. Registration fee is $10 by 3/31 and 15 day of the show. Over 80 trophies will be awarded by popular vote, including best paint, engine, interior and best of show (a three foot trophy.) Pontiac-Oakland Club International is a national organization dedicated to preserving Pontiac automobiles. Membership exceeds 11,000 and the Hurricane Chapter is one of its 65 divisions across the United States. The Hurricane Chapter unites Pontiac enthusiasts in Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade and Collier counties. The club welcomes all family members and holds monthly cruise-ins that are rotated through each of the four counties. Our bi-monthly newsletter, =3DECHurricane News,=3DEE keeps Hurricane Chapter members informed about local classic car news and events. =3D46or more information about the show (directions etc) or to join the club, contact the Hurricane Chapter club office at 305-648- 0623, or by e-mail at POCIHurricane@ATT.NET --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1226319299=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, Our POCI chapter here in s Fla is hosting its first annual car show.=3D20 =3D46or all you fla-heads you should really try to make it! the date is april 14th and it will be located in broward county. I will be bringing my (no where near done) RA I coupe out. I mention that in the hopes that you all bring your bird/pontiac NO MATTER what condition its currently in...this ISNT a trailer queen event ;> It should be a lot of fun! take care, joe BTW we made it a BOP event so as to increase the number of cars we could get. next year with one under our belt we might try an all=3D20 pontiacs show. ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ The First Annual Buick/Oldsmobile/ Pontiac car show is=3D20 coming Saturday, April 14th! The new Hurricane Chapter of Pontiac-Oakland Club=3D20 International is hosting Fort Lauderdale's very first=3D20 Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac (B.O.P.) car show. B.O.P.=3D20 car shows are very popular across the country and until=3D20 now were only held in the Orlando area. Sponsored by Pines Pontiac-GMC Truck of Pembroke Pines,=3D20 the show will be held at the dealer on Pines Blvd, west=3D20 of I-75, on Saturday, April 14th from 9:30am to 3:00pm. =3D20 The show promises to be exciting for everyone with over=3D20 100 classic automobiles and a live radio broadcast by=3D20 Magic 102.7. Come for the great oldies music, smoker=3D20 barbecue, and hourly raffles with two round trip tickets=3D20 on American Airlines as the grand prize. There will=3D20 also be a clown performing for the kids with face=3D20 painting included! Come join the fun. =3D20 Spectator admission is free. The show is open to proud=3D20 owners of classic Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac=3D20 automobiles. Registration fee is $10 by 3/31 and 15 day of the show. Over 80 trophies will be awarded by popular vote, including best paint,=3D20 engine, interior and best of show (a three foot trophy.) Pontiac-Oakland Club International is a national=3D20 organization dedicated to preserving Pontiac=3D20 automobiles. Membership exceeds 11,000 and the=3D20 Hurricane Chapter is one of its 65 divisions across the=3D20 United States. The Hurricane Chapter unites Pontiac=3D20 enthusiasts in Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade and=3D20 Collier counties. The club welcomes all family members=3D20 and holds monthly cruise-ins that are rotated through=3D20 each of the four counties. Our bi-monthly=3D20 newsletter, =3DECHurricane News,=3DEE keeps Hurricane Chapter=3D20 members informed about local classic car news and=3D20 events.=3D20 =3D46or more information about the show (directions etc) or to join the club, contact the Hurricane Chapter club office at 305-648- 0623, or by e-mail at <bold><bigger>POCIHurricane@ATT.NET </bigger></bold> --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1226319299=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--
(back) Subject: Carb rebuild From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:16:43 Where is the best place to get a carb rebuild kit from? Best and cheapest = I guess would be the way I should put it. Thanks Matt '68 350 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Rear End From: "Dan Lawrence" <danl@fdn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:29:47 -0500 I'll have to order the gasket and I'll let you guys know. Thanks Dan 68/coupe/428 > << = ......................................................................... > John, > > I wondered if that could be true because I sanded off the paint in both = the > locations that should show the stamped ID marking and I couldn't find > anything. If > > it is a chevy rear end, do you know where the ID marking would be? Or = would > it be > my best bet to take the cover off. IF I took the cover off, what should = I > look for > > to ID it if it is a chevy. > > Dan 68/coupe/428 >> > > Dan > I really don't know much about ID #'s of rear end housing, Chevy 12 > bolts have a round shaped cover with 12 bolts, But they have12 bolts, = bolting > the ring gear to the carrier, The only incorrect rearend that has 12 = bolts on > the cover and not 12 bolts for the ring gear is some 1965-to (1968 I = think?) > olds had 10 bolt cover and 12 bolt ring gears or vice versa > But to be sure, take off the cover, Get a new gasket first, compare = it > to the cover's shape to be sure before you crack the seal and smell the = stink > of the gear lube.You can check the shape of the spider gears or look for > clutch plate trash (if a limited slip), Be sure to add "GM posi-taction > additive" with to new gear lube (if a limited slip) > John Costello >
(back) Subject: Re: Turbo TA Info From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:27:54 EST Thanks for all the input. I'm not exactly in love with 2nd gen TAs, with exceprtion to 70-73. I know what a disgrace the 301 is compared to earlier = Poncho Power Plants. Was only considering the car with regards to = replacing the mill. Now I know. Pete
(back) Subject: Turbo advise... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:13:04 -0800 With all of the talk about tubo's lately. I saw a post refering someone to Banks. A word of personal advise, don't call Banks. Banks is propably the best known name, with the worst product. They do a great job of marketing, and thats all ! Customer service is the worst you'll ever run into. I have a `97 Powerstroke with extensive mod's to it. I learned the hard way, nothing worse out there than Banks. I'm in a group that talk's Powerstroke's, 10,000+ people, nobody likes, or had a good experience with Gale Banks Industries. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: What's it worth, '72 455? From: <Cmadkin1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:02:59 EST I've got a chance to pickup a '72 full size Pontiac with a 455, 400 turbo, with 80,xxx miles for around $1,200. Are there any special reasons to pursue this, other than it being a low miles 455? By that I mean, did the '72 have any special heads, crank, intake...? The drivetrain will eventually find it's way into my '69 droptop, but not until I drive it through next winter. I'd appreciate the input from the group. To cut down on bandwidth, feel free just to email me, or not. It seems like a decent deal. Thanks, Chris Adkins
(back) Subject: Cruise control From: <Cmadkin1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:05:17 EST Is there a power on/off switch on the '69 cruise control system? I looked in the Fisher manual for '68 and the A-bodys show a master switch but the f-bodys didn't. Thanks, Chris Adkins
(back) Subject: PHS questions From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:28:14 -0500 In my PHS documentation for my 1967 Firebird 400, the invoice has a 4 in = box 55 and a 6 in box 61. Anyone know what that means? Help! Thanks, Jason
(back) Subject: Re: Volt. Reg. Capacitor From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:50:10 EST Chris, I checked all my catalogs for new and also found none. You may want to = try Chicago Muscle Car Parts, Inc. 847-526-2200. They have big inventory of = used 1st gen Firebird parts. I checked their catalog but I believe they have stuff not in the catalog. Jim
(back) Subject: 67 engine paint color From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:32:12 -0600 Just finished freshening up my 326 and want to paint. Unfortunately, due = to a computer glich,I missed all the correct engine color responses so I have to ask again. I purchased some Plastic-coat Pontiac 227 engine paint and = its too blue. Anyone know the correct color? Jim Miller
(back) Subject: compresion question From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:10:15 -0500 can anyone tell me what comp. ratio I would have with a set of 13s on a 455 thanks in advance Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: V8 torque specs From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:07:05 -0600 Does anyone have a one stop source for engine bolt torque specs for a 326?
(back) Subject: Re: What's it worth, '72 455? From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:33:25 -0500 Chris - are you in Lynchburg VA? -----Original Message----- From: Cmadkin1@aol.com <Cmadkin1@aol.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: What's it worth, '72 455? >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I've got a chance to pickup a '72 full size Pontiac with >a 455, 400 turbo, with 80,xxx miles for around $1,200. > >Are there any special reasons to pursue this, other >than it being a low miles 455? By that I mean, did the '72 >have any special heads, crank, intake...? The drivetrain >will eventually find it's way into my '69 droptop, but not until >I drive it through next winter. > >I'd appreciate the input from the group. To cut down on >bandwidth, feel free just to email me, or not. It seems like >a decent deal. >Thanks, >Chris Adkins
(back) Subject: RE: What's it worth, '72 455? From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:20:24 -0500 The engine is not special, it is worth about $500.
(back) Subject: Re: What's it worth, '72 455? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:06:25 -0500 I've got a chance to pickup a '72 full size Pontiac with a 455, 400 turbo, with 80,xxx miles for around $1,200. Are there any special reasons to pursue this, other than it being a low miles 455? By that I mean, did the '72 have any special heads, crank, intake...? The drivetrain will eventually find it's way into my '69 droptop, but not until I drive it through next winter. I'd appreciate the input from the group. To cut down on bandwidth, feel free just to email me, or not. It seems like a decent deal. Thanks, Chris Adkins Chris, After 70, and aside from the SD/HO 455's, the remainder of 455's were just = big beasts. For $1200, I would say go for the drivetrain if sound, and = part out the remainder to recoup the investment. There are dwindling numbers of = 428/455's, and with that block/crank, you have alot of options. Although = the full size equipped 455's in 72 did not have great compression/heads, you = can build what you need. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: pitman arm From: "Paul and Sarah" <psb357@altavista.com> Date: 28 Mar 2001 21:12:44 -0800 Greetings, For anyone out there with a 67 V8 with power steering: is your pitman arm = the curved or straight style? Is there a difference in the center link = between the two? Not sure if they are interchangeable (with some = adjustment). Thanks, Paul Beers 67 400 conv Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com
(back) Subject: RE: compresion question From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:14:44 -0600 About 11.5 John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: compresion question > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > can anyone tell me what comp. ratio I would have with a set of 13s on a > 455 thanks in advance Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: RE: V8 torque specs From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:15:56 -0600 Try this. http://www.wallaceracing.com/torque.htm John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: V8 torque specs > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Does anyone have a one stop source for engine bolt torque specs for a = 326? >
(back) Subject: Re: What's it worth, '72 455? From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:12:36 EST For what its worth, I think you can do better. I once purchased a 76 Granville for $200. It was running. A few weeks ago I found a complete 455 = balanced fresh 670 heads, new dished pistons, roller rockers,cam, lifters, = manifolds(edel&offy360) etc. This person advertised it in the paper for cheap. I was the first caller and scored for a grand. Even had polished = rods and ARP bolts along with a head stud kit. If the 72 is clean you might = pull the engine and put a running 350 back in and maybe recoup expenses, but = what is your time worth. Be patient and keep your eyes peeled. There are deals = out there just be quick and have cash ready. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: compresion question From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:17:18 EST 72 cc heads on a 455 will be over 12-1. It won't be a pump gas vehicle. = Keith Black now has dished pistons for 455 which will make it work. 13's are = nice heads but a 6X is more easily found and a lot more practical, or any 72 up = 350-400 head will work nicely. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: compresion question From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:25:04 +0200 According to this page: http://www.angelfire.com/on/geebjen/heads.html your heads are 75 cc's. But in the Jim Hand articles at: http://www.classicfirebird.com/hand/jhand4.html you will find the #13 head rated at 72 cc's. The same home page has a compression ratio chart showing your combo beeing close to 11:1. /Niklas poncho40@sga.quik.com wrote: > can anyone tell me what comp. ratio I would have with a set of 13s on a > 455 thanks in advance Daniel Ray > > --------------------------------