First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Rear control arms. by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Convertible Seat Belts Needed by "Patrick W. Thompson" <patrickt@compucominc.com> Horns by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> RE: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-22-2001) by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Headers for a Chevy BB by <peterskm@voicenet.com> Re: Convertible Seat Belts Needed by <Porlier68@aol.com> Re: Horns by <Porlier68@aol.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1828 by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: 68 frontal photo wanted by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: POR-15 by <Birddog321@aol.com> Re: Rear control arms. by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy by <Studderin@aol.com> headers for bb chevy by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy by <NoPinkTutu@aol.com> 350 455 swap by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: Goodguys on Saturday by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Horns/really tires by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Horns by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: 350 455 swap by <hugoba@apcom.com> wheel vintage repo rally II's (was horns) by <Studderin@aol.com> Owner Show Pages Updated (3-24-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Rear control arms. From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:10:21 -0500 This is very interesting. I would be one who would like to follow this. John. -----Original Message----- From: Bad Acid <bad-acid@pacbell.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Rear control arms. >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >In case anyone was following this thread, I pulled up the rear seat of my >car, and did discover that it indeed did only have the plate on the right >hand side. The damage is a result of a poor job installing the control = arms >from the 400, (My car is A half & half) Be a good thing to keep in mind = if >you ever do this swap! Don't just drill a couple of holes and bolt it up. >The plan is still to build a crossmember under the seat. It's pretty = tight >up by the driveshaft hump though. I'll take some pictures so you all can see >what we do. > >Lance Holmes >67 400 Coupe > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:46 PM >Subject: Fw: List Server: Re: Rear control arms. > > >> >> > >> > Rowan, >> > >> > Thanks for the info, and the pic. This clears things up a bit. It seemed >> > crazy to mount these things to the pan, but now it makes more sense. >I'll >> > have to pull my seat and see if I have this plate on the left side. = The >> > metal seemed pretty flimsy from underneath the car. >> > >> > Does any one know if the 6 cyl. cars, the ones with only one traction >bar, >> > had the plates on both sides? >> > >> > I have reason to believe that the rear half of my car started out = life >as >> > a >> > six, and then had the front(subframes forward) replaced with a 400 (I >have >> > an interesting receipt from a junkyard) Possibly the rear axle and >> > traction >> > bars were brought in with the front end/engine replacement. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > >> > Lance Holmes >> > 67 - 400 Coupe >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: Rear control arms. >> > >> > >> > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> > > >> > ......................................................................... >> > > I might add that in '68 GM switched to the staggered shock setup to >> > better >> > > control axle wrap (and therefore wheelhop). >> > > the stock control arm/traction bars do not atttatch to the framerails. >> > but >> > > instead to two studs(each) which project through the floor from a >heavy >> > > (almost1/8") plate under the back seat passengers' rear. >> > > I have a pic of the passenger side plate from above for you here: >> > > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/images/31%20whats%20the%20heavy%20plate%20LR= f >> > o >> > otwell%20.JPG >> > > >> > > Good luck >> > > Rowan
(back) Subject: Convertible Seat Belts Needed From: "Patrick W. Thompson" <patrickt@compucominc.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:20:03 -0800 Looking for a set of shoulder belts for a convertible 69 firebird. = Interior is deluxe blue but would take a set of shoulder belts any color if you = have them available. Fronts are the most important but would like to have the full set eventually. Thanks, Patrick
(back) Subject: Horns From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:10:07 -0500 Chris, Thanks for the offer. I ended up a couple of days ago getting 2 from = Bills Birds. His price was very reasonable, and both horns that I received have = the correct numbers on them and fit like the ones in Rowans pic. I think finally I got this thing straght. I decided to stay with the dual horn = set up (even though my PHS says my car did not have dual horns) because it sounds better and will be safer on the road. Once again, thanks. Keith 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: horns From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:47:43 -0800 Keith, if you need help locating some horn's, let me know. I think I know where I can get some. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-22-2001) From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:27:47 -0500 WOW! I am diggin' those flames. I never had the guts... See, you really CAN have fun in a 350 bird. Bob Trimpe (with 350 bird) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-22-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Jim Robson 1969 LimeGreen/Black/Flames Firebird 350 H.O. Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D148) -------------------
(back) Subject: Headers for a Chevy BB From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:01:45 US/Eastern When I bought my 67 Firebird, it already had a Chevy 454 in it (so you = can't blame me). Anyway, the car originally had power steering, but the gear box has been disconnected and the pump is gone because there is no = clearance with the headers that are currently on the car. I do, however, want power steering. There is a set of Hooker Super Comps that = are supposed to fit, but a couple of people over at the Team Camaro website claim that the header tubes need to be dented which I am trying to = avoid. So, my question is this: I have found a company, Sanderson Headers, which = claims they have a set of headers that will fit a 67 Camaro with a 454 and power steering. = My thought is that this should be the same for my application. Is there anything I am = missing? Does anyone else have any header suggestions? Thanks, Kevin --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/
(back) Subject: Re: Convertible Seat Belts Needed From: <Porlier68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:29:36 EST Same here. 68 Convertable needing any belts possible. Patrick, if you = hear anything, let me know. I'll do the same for you. Thanks. Greg in NJ
(back) Subject: Re: Horns From: <Porlier68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:32:28 EST I have a 4:11 rear and 14 inch tires. Will switching to 15 inch tires = make a big difference as far as top end is concerned? I was thinking of trying = this before switching rears. If so, can anyone recommend where one can get = those illustrious PMD 15 inch hub caps? The car has Kragar SS's right now. Who = knows what the guy was thinking that I bought it from. Any help is appreciated. Greg
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1828 From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:02:48 -0500 At 09:00 AM 3/23/01 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: TVS Switch - what should it do? >From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:33:25 -0500 > >Listers > >I ran across Franks Zeller's old thread on TVS switches (actually, I went >looking for it). I just finished a rebuild of my 350, and it has an >operating TVS switch. The vacuum diagram I have from a Chiltons manual = seem >to indicate that a cold engine would get ported vacuum, and a warm engine >would get full-time vacuum. This seems backwards to me, and is contrary = to >Frank's description as well. My engine idles terrible when cold, and I = think >it would benefit from some advance. A buddy of mine thought it might have >been intentional on Pontiac's part, to keep you from "getting on it" with = a >cold motor. > >Has anyone ever dug into the vacuum diagram for TVS on a 68? I am >contemplating rewiring (re-hosing?) the TVS to do just what Frank = describes, >which is full-time vacuum when cold, ported when hot. > >Any thoughts? > >Regards, >Bob Trimpe > Bob it was for emissions and driveability when cold. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: 68 frontal photo wanted From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:39:18 -0500 I just took this picture today... Might be what you're looking for Gary... http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/bird-front.jpg Mike
(back) Subject: Re: POR-15 From: <Birddog321@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:11:07 EST Steve, I know locally (in Minnesota) you can buy POR-15 in Welle Auto Supply = stores. I know they have more than one store in Minnesota but I don't know if = they are national. Larry Jorgensen 68 400 conv
(back) Subject: Re: Rear control arms. From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:36:32 -0500 Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Charlie & Rose Huntington <badgoat@gwi.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Rear control arms. My wife's (original 326) 67 has only the right one. I'd really like to = get a left one as I'm at that stage of the resto right now. I do have an = extra right one. the guy that sold me the traction bars sent me the wrong side. I have a good picture of the right one on page six of the restoration = series on my website. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: John Wern <jwern@charter.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Rear control arms. First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... This is very interesting. I would be one who would like to follow this. John. -----Original Message----- From: Bad Acid <bad-acid@pacbell.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Rear control arms. >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >In case anyone was following this thread, I pulled up the rear seat of my >car, and did discover that it indeed did only have the plate on the right >hand side. The damage is a result of a poor job installing the control = arms >from the 400, (My car is A half & half) Be a good thing to keep in mind = if >you ever do this swap! Don't just drill a couple of holes and bolt it up. >The plan is still to build a crossmember under the seat. It's pretty = tight >up by the driveshaft hump though. I'll take some pictures so you all can see >what we do. > >Lance Holmes >67 400 Coupe > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:46 PM >Subject: Fw: List Server: Re: Rear control arms. > > >> >> > >> > Rowan, >> > >> > Thanks for the info, and the pic. This clears things up a bit. It seemed >> > crazy to mount these things to the pan, but now it makes more sense. >I'll >> > have to pull my seat and see if I have this plate on the left side. = The >> > metal seemed pretty flimsy from underneath the car. >> > >> > Does any one know if the 6 cyl. cars, the ones with only one traction >bar, >> > had the plates on both sides? >> > >> > I have reason to believe that the rear half of my car started out = life >as >> > a >> > six, and then had the front(subframes forward) replaced with a 400 (I >have >> > an interesting receipt from a junkyard) Possibly the rear axle and >> > traction >> > bars were brought in with the front end/engine replacement. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > >> > Lance Holmes >> > 67 - 400 Coupe >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: Rear control arms. >> > >> > >> > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> > > >> > ......................................................................... >> > > I might add that in '68 GM switched to the staggered shock setup to >> > better >> > > control axle wrap (and therefore wheelhop). >> > > the stock control arm/traction bars do not atttatch to the framerails. >> > but >> > > instead to two studs(each) which project through the floor from a >heavy >> > > (almost1/8") plate under the back seat passengers' rear. >> > > I have a pic of the passenger side plate from above for you here: >> > > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/images/31%20whats%20the%20heavy%20plate%20LR= f >> > o >> > otwell%20.JPG >> > > >> > > Good luck >> > > Rowan -
(back) Subject: Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:57:53 EST In a message dated 3/23/2001 6:10:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peterskm@voicenet.com writes: << So, my question is this: I have found a company, Sanderson Headers, which = claims they have a set of headers that will fit a 67 Camaro with a 454 and power steering. = My thought is that this should be the same for my application. Is there anything I am missing? Does anyone else have any header suggestions? Thanks, Kevin >> Kenin, Sell the, makes lots of noise, cost $9,000 to stay together to 7,000 rpm's = only to make 430hp and NO toque chevy and get some torque form poncho power!!! Hey, a stock 455 with minor bolt on's will make over 500 = ftlbs form 2,500 to 4,500 rpm's what else could you need in a 3,300lb. street = car? (You asked a Pontiac firebird list, you had to expect a little crap) But there's a difference you forgot in; auto or a manual, floor or = column shifter. That's about it. A Pontiac motor is back (I think 6 inch?) in a firebird from the = Camero (better in handling and weight distribution) with a chevy motor, Check to = see if chevy has motor mount set back-plates. They are on the subframe on a firebird moving the motor mounts back(dowards the fire wall). Don't know = if a Camero has them or what you have do to them to swap in the chevy motor? = But your chevy motor MAY not be exactly were it should be if it was in a Crap-arrow. These would diffenatly change the clearnce on the headers fit. = If anyone else know's how the Crap-arrow with a BBC is factory set up, = pleause talk up. John Costello
(back) Subject: headers for bb chevy From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:10:15 -0500 If they put your 454 motor mounts in the exact same place the camaro motor mounts would go,you should be ok,but if its off just a little bit,guess = what will be hitting the p.s. gear box?Larry
(back) Subject: Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy From: <NoPinkTutu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:16:53 EST In a message dated 3/23/2001 8:13:55 PM Central Standard Time, Studderin@aol.com writes: << A Pontiac motor is back (I think 6 inch?) in a firebird from the = Camero >> It's actually more like 2 inches. Wayne
(back) Subject: 350 455 swap From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:29:41 -0600 planning to swap my 455 in place of the 350 in my 69 conv. wondering if some of you who already have done so can share engine combos and anything else i may need to consider. the car will mainly be a weekend cruiser. thanks andrew panek 69 conv
(back) Subject: Re: Goodguys on Saturday From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:42:23 -0800 Ill come by later and pick up any peices. Just kidding, Ive seen that fancy trailer and multip;e tow rigs, I bet = Hugo shows with 5 or 6 cars in the end : ) Anyway, I'll be criusing up in the morning. I have one friend vending outside in a green '64ish chevy truck, and another selling his '64 el = Camino TPI. I may be near one of these, if I'm not hunting. See You There! Rowan >From: hugoba@apcom.com >Hey, with a stuck throttle and a long string is how I plan to drive 2 of >them. >Still thinking about the third ;-) > >Hugo > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > I'll be there - not sure if I'll make it on Saturday however. Hugo is > > taking 3 cars! Maybe you can drive one for him. Watch out for stuck > > throttles :) > > > > Al _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Horns/really tires From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:51:13 -0800 Greg, It is the tire diameter that gives the effect you are looking for. I have 4:10s on my 4X4 and 35" Mud Terrains. 3000-3500RPM on the freeway = in high gear(no overdrive). I don't have a speedo, so I can't be more specific. Ill guess that's 55-75 or so. top end is too dangerous in a 33 year old work truck...never been over 90 = in that one. Rowan >From: Porlier68@aol.com >I have a 4:11 rear and 14 inch tires. Will switching to 15 inch tires = make >a >big difference as far as top end is concerned? I was thinking of trying >this >before switching rears. If so, can anyone recommend where one can get >those >illustrious PMD 15 inch hub caps? The car has Kragar SS's right now. = Who >knows what the guy was thinking that I bought it from. Any help is >appreciated. > >Greg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Headers for a ??? Chevy From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:07:49 EST In a message dated 3/24/2001 12:03:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NoPinkTutu@aol.com writes: << << A Pontiac motor is back (I think 6 inch?) in a firebird from the Camero >> It's actually more like 2 inches. Wayne >> your right it's the beck, it's 6 inchs. more than the camero's flat = front end. j john costello
(back) Subject: Re: Horns From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:35:30 -0800 (PST) I believe that Bob Cisneros had posted a formula some time back but I also think that if you go to the Tire Rack web site they have one there as = well. I don't know if you like the look of the Rallye II's but Summit is = starting to ship the repros made by Wheel Vintiques (I just got one of the four I had ordered a few weeks ago). They were on backoreder forever. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 23 14:25:55 2001 > From: Porlier68@aol.com > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:32:28 EST > Subject: Re: Horns > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I have a 4:11 rear and 14 inch tires. Will switching to 15 inch tires = make a > big difference as far as top end is concerned? I was thinking of trying = this > before switching rears. If so, can anyone recommend where one can get = those > illustrious PMD 15 inch hub caps? The car has Kragar SS's right now. = Who > knows what the guy was thinking that I bought it from. Any help is > appreciated. > > Greg
(back) Subject: Re: 350 455 swap From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:44:00 -0800 (PST) I'll be doing the same thing but I'm also planning on switching to a 2004R tranny while I'm at it. I want this thing to be a freeway cruiser for long distance travel as well as having some good gitup'ngo. I'm planning on driving it to Detroit and cruising back on the Hot Rod = Power Tour and I don't want to have to haul a tanker behind me ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 23 20:19:23 2001 > From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: 350 455 swap > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:29:41 -0600 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > planning to swap my 455 in place of the 350 in my 69 conv. wondering if > some of you who already have done so can share engine combos and = anything > else i may need to consider. the car will mainly be a weekend cruiser. > thanks > > andrew panek > 69 conv >
(back) Subject: wheel vintage repo rally II's (was horns) From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:37:13 EST In a message dated 3/24/2001 2:15:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hugoba@apcom.com writes: << I believe that Bob Cisneros had posted a formula some time back but I = also think that if you go to the Tire Rack web site they have one there as = well. I don't know if you like the look of the Rallye II's but Summit is = starting to ship the repros made by Wheel Vintiques (I just got one of the four I had = ordered a few weeks ago). They were on backoreder forever. >> Hugo What do you think of your wheels (I mean wheel). How's there paint? = Cuz last weekend while picking up another 455. I notice them on a car the guy had, (a 73 grand am) there were starting to rust on the silver spoke after = only few mouths. The wheels and car were under a foot of snow though. so = much for that 40' weather 2 weekends ago!!! I've been thinking that for $95-100 bucks a wheel it cheaper then the sanding, masking, spay paint fun. And they come in 15x8 and even 15x10 ?? hummmm .... And they don't come with curb dents. John Costello Rochester NY
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-24-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:13:58 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-24-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Carol Brezette 1967 Burgundy Firebird 350 Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D149) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)