First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List mains bolt question by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> RE: Back on the road! by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> RE: Engine Paint Questions by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: 455 by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> 455 by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Seats by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: Goodguys on Saturday by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> RE: Engine Paint Questions by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Re: aluminum intake by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Tremacs by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> tremac by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Sprint engine paint by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> 2004R by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Correct Carpet & Power Windows by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Re: Radiator by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Dist. part # ? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> RE: 2004R vs TH350 by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1821 by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: 455 by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: 455 by <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Re: 455 by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Goodguys on Saturday by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Engine Paint Questions by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> 1967 400 Engine on EBAY by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> BAFB (Bay Area Firebirds Mailing List) by <hugoba@apcom.com> #64 heads by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: mains bolt question by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Tremacs by <Studderin@aol.com>
(back) Subject: mains bolt question From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:23:05 -0500 how many of the 455s came with the 4 bolt main caps? I know that a lot of the blocks were drilled for them but had 2 bolt caps was it only the super duty motors that came with the auctual 4 bolt caps?? Thanks in advance Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: RE: Back on the road! From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:29:41 -0500 1968 350 w/TH350, 16 heads, Edelbrock 1405 with performer, 066 cam, dual exhaust with log manifolds, added dbl roller timing chain, ported and polished the heads, 3-angle valve job. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Zeller [mailto:fzeller@tri-austin.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:15 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Re: Back on the road! Bob, What's your combo?
(back) Subject: RE: Engine Paint Questions From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:32:52 -0500 Steve, I painted my intake PMD metallic like the original. Used a spray bomb from Plastikote. Exhaust manifolds, I coated with Eastman (Eastwood?) hi-temp cast iron gray. Seems to be holding up OK, but it's early. Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stinefelt [mailto:stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:50 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Engine Paint Questions First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I'm about to paint the engine on my '68 Sprint 'Bird. I know that the block, heads, and cam housing are PMD metallic blue, but I still have a = few unanswered questions. 1. Do the intake and exhaust manifolds get painted the same color? If = not, what would come close to matching the original finish? 2. Does anyone have a recommendations as to what brand (or type) of paint to use? I have a complete HVLP spraying outfit, so it doesn't matter whether it comes in spray cans or not. Thanks in advance! Steve
(back) Subject: Re: 455 From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:51:26 -0600 It's better to walk softly and carry a big stick :o) >>> PStonebrak@aol.com 03/20/01 12:07AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Any other 455 emblems to spare? Pete
(back) Subject: 455 From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:53:45 -0500 when switching from 6 cyl. to 455,will I need to switch front springs and = to which ones?thanks,Larry
(back) Subject: Seats From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:04:34 -0600 Subject: Seat Swap help From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> I have a 68 Coupe.....Has anyone used seats other than 1st gen FB or = Camaro? I am tired of my low back buckets and want to go with something more = cushy. Thanks, Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Jeff, way back when... when I was 18, I replaced my poor stock seats in my 68 bird with a set of nice fresh 79 T/A Buckets. They were a welcome addition at the time, I would make sure you hang onto the stock ones though. Just incase you want to return them later... Wish I did... Anyway, I just had to drill an addition hole in the track of the T/A buckets bolted right in! The only problem you should have is choosing the seats! Good luck - Brett 67 Drop Top 455
(back) Subject: Re: Goodguys on Saturday From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:15:41 -0800 I'll be there - not sure if I'll make it on Saturday however. Hugo is taking 3 cars! Maybe you can drive one for him. Watch out for stuck throttles :) Al
(back) Subject: RE: Engine Paint Questions From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:16:41 -0800 Please help. I also need to find out where to get some correct paint. I have had a tough time finding the metallic blue. With recent head and cam cover changes, my engine is now 2-tone. While 2-tone looks good on the outside of a 55 Chev, it leaves a lot to be desired in my engine compartment. Thanks, Jeff >>Subject: From: "Steve Stinefelt" <stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:50:27 -1000 Steve said: I'm about to paint the engine on my '68 Sprint 'Bird. I know that the block, heads, and cam housing are PMD metallic blue, but I still have a = few unanswered questions.<<
(back) Subject: Re: aluminum intake From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:46:01 -0800 (PST) Andrew Panek writes: > I HAVE READ TESTS THAT THE RPM MANIFOLD HAS COST TIME IN THE QUARTER >MILE DUE TO THE NEED FOR HIGH RPM. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE RPM RANGE OF = THE >ENGINE YOU BUILD, AS THE STOCK ENGINES ARE HIGH TORQUE AT LOW RPM. You are right about the RPM range you select for your engine. Low gears (numerically high) and a high lift cam would dictate a high RPM range. The Performer and Performer RPM differ in that the RPM intake has straighter and shorter runners, as well as a taller plenum. This gives the fuel a somewhat straighter shot at the intake ports in the heads. But these differences are fairly subtle, so it's not like comparing a stock intake and a Victor Jr. The Performer flows pretty much the same as the stock intake. So what you get from this intake is a weight savings of about 20 lbs. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Tremacs From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:28:28 -0500 Subject: Re: 700-R4 recommendations From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:10:14 -0600 Paul, Below is an email I got from them....... Frank Hi Frank, Thank you for your interest in our Tremec, GM 3550 and TKO 5 speed high performance transmissions that bolt directly to a stock bell housing and use stock linkage and clutch assembly(26 spline only). Our GM Tremec TKO sells for $1975.00. Please call me at 781-647-1530 and we can = go over all of the details. Thanks, Mike Forte Frank prices Ive been getting for the Tremac is around $1300. Check with National drive train. I get special flyers each month from = them. Gary
(back) Subject: tremac From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:33:12 -0500 I forgot to comment that a Tremac uses a 26 spline input shaft and a standard Firebird clutch is a 10 spline. Gary
(back) Subject: Sprint engine paint From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:32 -0500 Subject: Engine Paint Questions From: "Steve Stinefelt" <stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:50:27 -1000 1. Do the intake and exhaust manifolds get painted the same color? No the intake is painted same as engine. Exhaust is bare cast iron.. Cast iron manifold paint is OK for this. get a good engine paint from Hirsch. Some have tried POR-15 but dont have any results on that. Remember to use light coats and just barely cover . Dont forget to degrease with brakekleen or laquer thinner before painting. Cast iron holds alot of oil. BTW red stripes on cam cover were 66 only. Gary
(back) Subject: 2004R From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:04:34 -0500 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2004R vs TH350 From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:39:15 -0800 I will be swapping trans in my '68 OHC eventually, I am not familiar with the 2004R. I assume it is a 4 sp auto..... Is the 4th "gear" and OD, or does it mimic = a 4 sp manual? Can anybody give me the pros and cons. What does a 4R cost, are they easy to find? What are install issues? Thanks, Jeff Jeff I did this swap in a 67 Tempest Sprint about 8 yrs ago. Glenn helped me do it at a friends shop with a lift(thanks Jim) We drove the car in at around 11 am and were test driving it at 4 pm. Glenn said it was the most trouble free swap he had seen. I did however do quite a bit of home work before hand. Sprints are unique in that the carb sits at a right angle to the throttle. contact me off list and maybe I can email some pics. Be sure and use an 87 or newer trans, the Monte Carlo SS or Grand National is best. You must use lock up or the tranny will burn up. Also check the achieves for more info on this. Theres been alot of previous discussion. BTW if youre looking for a complete unit ready to = go Glenn has a fully built 700 w adapter plate for sale.Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Correct Carpet & Power Windows From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) Chris and Christi: My '69 Convertible came from the factory with the same exterior and interior combination, but had black carpet. Maybe there was a carpet color option on your car, or a prior owner just changed it to white. Could be real pretty, but sounds "high maintainance" to me. I would put it back in black if its driven a lot. Just my 2 cents worth. David Learner --- Chris T Reynolds <creynold@rbnet.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > We need some help. We have a 69 Carosel Red Firebird Convertible with > standard Parchment vinyl interior. When we bought the car 15 years > ago it > had (and still has) white carpet in it. The carpet looks thicker than > other > original carpet that I have seen in these cars, and it doesn't look > like it > fits well in the corners. I am trying to find out if this carpet is > actually > correct, or if the car originally came with black carpet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Radiator From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:59:26 -0800 (PST) Chris Porter writes: > Sorry if this shows up twice, didn't see it come up. >Anybody try one of those Desert Cooler 4 core radiator's >from Ames ? How does it work ? Did it fit well ? Thanks, >thinking of ordering one on Monday. Sorry this is so late, but we installed one in Chuck Seller's car a couple of weekends ago. The fit was great, no problems. The construction of the radiator was terrific. It was very thick, fatter than my own 4 core unit. Since he hasn't driven the car much, and he wasn't having a heating problem to start with, we can't give any impressions on that. But I will tell you that this is definitely the next radiator I will buy. Last year, in speaking with some electric fan vendors at a swap meet, they suggested that the Desert Cooler was the best radiator they've seen. And this wasn't a product they sold either. But, a copper/brass radiator is more efficient at shedding heat than is an aluminum unit. So, buying a B-Cool or Griffin would be for a weight savings more than anything else. Not to say that they aren't great at cooling too. I've got a Griffin in my Mustang. But for the same size core, a copper/brass radiator should cool better. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Dist. part # ? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:04:44 -0800 (PST) Chris Porter writes: > Can anyone tell me the correct dist part # for a `68 350 >H.O. manuel car ? That would be manual, right? P/N 1111447 1968/All w/ST (standard trans) with 350 4BC 1111282 1968/All w/AT with 350 4BC -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: RE: 2004R vs TH350 From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:06:58 -0500 Jeff, I have a 2004r in my 69. The only mod besides the 4 speed auto = shifter is the crossmember must be from a turbo 400. These cost about 35.00 from = the bone yard and 85.00 new... Mace 69 350 Drop-Top ... Here are a few things to consider, Jeff. Rowan *68 >From: Jeff Frey <FREYJ@mascorp.com> >>I will be swapping trans in my '68 OHC eventually, I am not familiar = with >the 2004R. > >I assume it is a 4 sp auto..... Is the 4th "gear" and OD, or does it = mimic >a >4 sp manual? 4th gear is about 0.65 overdrive, slightly taller than 700R4 overdrive ratio. > >Can anybody give me the pros and cons. With a mild 400, 2.56 rear, and 235 60 15 tires: Pro... 20 highway MPG VS 14 1800 RPM@70 Quiet cabin on the highway less engine wear con... you hear the wind noise you hear the passenger gabbing or screaming I should have got one that cost more, mine was a tired unit, and slipped = on hard acceleration. it already had 150k on it. top speeds could approach 160 which is not safe >What does a 4R cost, Mine was $75 with warranty from Pick n Pull, $140 to complete the install = by the time I was on the road. A nicer rebuilt unit might run $1500 a kit from B+M to run the lockup torque converter might run $ 150, i had = no problem not using lockup. >are they easy to find? Yes, but not all of them will bolt to a Poncho. Some have chevy = bellhousing bolt pattern, others Buick Olds Pontiac, and some have both. >What are install issues? The biggest for me was building a custom crossmember. The 200R4 has the transmount 6 or 8 inches further back than the TH350. It should be easier on a Sprint, as you won't need clearance for dual 2 1/2" pipes. Also it is necessary to hook the TVcable(a more advanced kickdown rod,replaces vacuum device)to the carb. proper adjustment of the cable is CRITICAL. I cut an extra detent notch into Hurst Vmatic shifter so I could reach 1st gear. Reworking a columnshift is also not too hard. My TH350 driveshaft worked fine. I think It took 1/2 day to pull the old trans, a day to fab the Xmember, = and another day to install the new trans. > >Thanks, >Jeff _________________________________________________________________
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1821 From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:20:18 -0500 Brett, Nice car...dosen't look like it needs much work...coll for you...Is that color Dodge Intense Blue Pearlcoat?..Look like the same color as my '69...Great color and grat car..Good luck with it Mace 69 355 Drop-Top In case anyone is interested, and I'd like to think everyone is waiting on the edge of their seats to hear my news, I'm driving down to just outside = of Atlanta tomorrow to pick up my very first Pontiac Firebird!!!! I'm pretty excited. It's not the one I was telling everyone I wanted = (don't have the money for that right now) but it's a beauty. It's a 1968 350 = coupe. I'll put some pictures on the web, and maybe even on the "official" = website for you guys to see. Thanks for all the help everyone has given me so far, I'm sure I'll need more in the future. Matt (expecting father/owner of a '68 coupe) Congratulations Matt! I was wondering if you had mad a deal on one yet? I hope to see some Pix soon! And IF anyone is interested... I finally have a couple of Pix of my 67 Drop Top I got a month ago... Haven't done much yet but this documents the start of the build up of my 455 that is going in it! Don't mind the messy Garage... Just look at the motor and car! http://www.geocities.com/jetta2point0/Firebird1.html Let us know on your progress Matt! Brett in Seattle, 67 Drop Top 455!
(back) Subject: Re: 455 From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:30:19 -0800 (PST) Larry writes: >when switching from 6 cyl. to 455,will I need to switch front springs and = to >which ones? The assumption so far, is that all of the V8s weight more or less the same. Many spring manufacturers do differentiate between cars with or without A/C, with auto trans or stick. So get springs for a V8, and take into consideration the rest of the above. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: 455 From: <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:24:31 EST yes larry you should change springs, if your going to race the car use = moroso trick front springs (@ $90 i think ) or if for every day driving use a set = for your car with the largest motor that was available for that year with = a \ c . hope this helps jon
(back) Subject: Re: 455 From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:27:35 -0800 (PST) Only the one :-( BTW, the heads are 66 not 6X (brain f@rt). Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Mar 20 16:25:09 2001 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:51:26 -0600 > From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: 455 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by = mx2.daemonmail.net > id f2KDpou52861 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > It's better to walk softly and carry a big stick :o) > > >>> PStonebrak@aol.com 03/20/01 12:07AM >>> > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Any other 455 emblems to spare? Pete > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Goodguys on Saturday From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:31:53 -0800 (PST) Hey, with a stuck throttle and a long string is how I plan to drive 2 of = them. Still thinking about the third ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Mar 20 16:39:08 2001 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:15:41 -0800 > From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: Goodguys on Saturday > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'll be there - not sure if I'll make it on Saturday however. Hugo is > taking 3 cars! Maybe you can drive one for him. Watch out for stuck > throttles :) > > Al >
(back) Subject: Re: Engine Paint Questions From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:06:24 -0500 Jeff, The whole motor including the intake, throttle cable brackets, spark plug wire holder, distributor hold down, thermostat housing, and all the sheetmetal (except factory chrome valve covers) is painted the metallic blue. The exhaust manifolds are natural cast iron. The carburetor and distributor are left natural. I found the paint at Advance Auto. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Engine Paint Questions > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Please help. I also need to find out where to get some correct paint. = I > have had a tough time finding the metallic blue. With recent head and = cam > cover changes, my engine is now 2-tone. While 2-tone looks good on the > outside of a 55 Chev, it leaves a lot to be desired in my engine > compartment. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > > > >>Subject: > From: "Steve Stinefelt" <stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com> > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:50:27 -1000 > > Steve said: I'm about to paint the engine on my '68 Sprint 'Bird. I = know > that the > block, heads, and cam housing are PMD metallic blue, but I still have a few > unanswered questions.<< >
(back) Subject: 1967 400 Engine on EBAY From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:54:05 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5713328= 20&r=3D0&t=3D0
(back) Subject: BAFB (Bay Area Firebirds Mailing List) From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:05:11 -0800 (PST) Just in case I missed anyone in the Bay Area (or if you are out of the = area and want to join, you are welcome to), we now have a Mailing List mainly to = discuss local get togethers and other local issues. You can go to: http://lists.f-body.org/mailman/listinfo/bafb to subscribe and manage your account. Again, this list in no way replaces this great forum and is mainly = intended for local traffic so as to not bother 200+ users with "hey Joe, lets get = together for lunch" type stuff. Hugo
(back) Subject: #64 heads From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:42:31 -0800 (PST) Does anyone have a set of #64 heads sittin around? Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: mains bolt question From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:12:07 EST Daniel Ray The 71, 72, 455 HO's and the 73,74 SD455. Were the 455 to come with = 4 bolt caps. But I'm sure Pontiac used 4-bolt caps and maybe even a SD block = or two on a standard 455. When they ran out or low on of 2 bolt caps. John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Tremacs From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:14:36 EST In a message dated 3/20/2001 8:52:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gary@tcworks.net writes: << Frank prices Ive been getting for the Tremac is around $1300. Check with National drive train. I get special flyers each month from = them. Gary >> I friend of mine got his tremic for $1300 too. Don't know were though? John Costello