First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Burled Walnut Console Applique by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft now 455 cost by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> '68 Fender Availability (near Chicago) by <Framair@aol.com> Chicago Area F-Body Part Sources by <Framair@aol.com> Re: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> RE:Pontiac Track Times by <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) - stretch by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re : Chicago Area F-Body Part Sources by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> repro parts by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> header fabrication- by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> RE:Pontiac Track Times by "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> 700-R4 recommendations by "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com>
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:17:34 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: John Wern 1968 Verdoro Green Firebird 400 Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D145) Note: Replacing an old entry instead of updating. Update for Voting part of the show: Found and corrected a few minor and major problems in the last week. Will have to put together the "front-side" before a contest will start (User interaction portions - Rules, prize, etc....). ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: Burled Walnut Console Applique From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:50:05 -0800 I went to a cabinet shop and picked up so formica that matched , some formica is thicker than others so go with the thin stuff , easier to bend = .. They should also have the glue , it is very sticky , once glued on you = need paint thinner to get it off . Joe
(back) Subject: Re: header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:54:23 -0800 (PST) Danny, If you go to most muffler shops you wil see the machine they have to do = the bending and flaring. It's hydraulic and fairly complex and I'm sure = expensive. I don't know of a less expensive solution to this. If this is going to be a one time thing you might just find one of these = places that is willing to do this custom work for you and pay them the one time = fee and be done with. Having the right tools sure makes a difference. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Mar 17 01:57:56 2001 > Delivered-To: fixup-Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com@fixme > From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:57:39 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Importance: Normal > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > > i am modifying a set of 1970 'bird super comp headers to fit my 1968. I > have one tube on the header that won;t fit pas tthe steering box. i = ahve > heard that a manual steering box might fit this but i want ps. so i = have > decided to re-make the header. i recently bought a welder and i have = been > practicing welding thin 2" tubes into all sorts of shapes the problem is > that i don;t have a tubing bender. where can i get a tubing bender that > will bent 2"-4" exhaust tube without crushing it/?? anyone have any > experience with this??i have heard of "mandrel bent" headers but io = don;t > know what a mandrel is. or how one works. i would like to get = something > that will bend from 2"-4" tubes so that i can do the whole exhaust = system my > self. what about flaring tools ?? where can i find this gear? i have > checked a few places locally with no luck danny 68-400 new mexico > >
(back) Subject: Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:17:42 -0800 (PST) hey jason, we had some discussions about the cost of the build up of a 455. i think tim is finishing rebuilding one (hope i have that right) As for the scanning of the article, could someone on the list help?? I'm leaving tomorrow to baltimore,Md for 3-4 weeks for a job (actually it's in Lusby, Md), and i still have a lot of things to take care of today... thanks guys by the time i'll be back it will be the perfect weather to take the bird out. :) if you can believe, we're supposed to get the last 1" dusting forecasted for tonight. oh well... I'll try to make it to the Englishtown event this year, hope to see some list members there. Attila 68 350 coupe > Would it be at all possible to get look at this article?? > Thanks, Jason ex-400 bird > > Subject: Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft > From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:19:50 -0800 (PST) > > Did you guys also see the 455 Buildup?? (i think it's in the jan. issue... just got it last week) I like the bottom end torque curve.. :) also costs over 5K. :( Hmmmm. When the 350 goes i know what i'd like = to replace it with. Attila 68 350 coupe _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:57:31 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-17-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Rob Wiersma 1968 White Firebird 400 Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D146) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: RE: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft now 455 cost From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:45:22 -0500 Yes it was me! the new 455 is running great, but killed my th400. Maybe = it was on it's way out with the 350 and the 455 just sped it upon it's way? Who knows. Anyway, need a new trans now. Regarding the cost of the buildup, it cost me about 3400$ and I paid a premium for some machine work and parts so I guess you could get it down a few hundred $$. THe car = craft buildup was expensive because of edelbrock heads at the tune of 1800$ and the headers for the round port approx $500. Again, here is a breakdown of what I paid. 455 motor pan-carb junkyard 500 new 4x heads (due to crack) 75 total core 575 comp cams xe268h kit 380 flow kooler pump 90 rod bolts 72 rings 160.25 pistons KB222 328 main bearings 90.52 inserts 57.47 cam bearing 20.5 gasket set 76.7 2 way cam key 7.35 freeze plugs 7.5 new valve springs 81 bronze guides 165 Total Parts 1536.29 3 angle valve job 185 bore block 190 cut for seats 30 cut head and intake side 100 off on pinfit 110 size rods 160 polish & cham 35 drill bolt and rem plugs 30 2 hardened seats 40 square and deck block 110 file fit rings 45 clean & mag heads & block 163 other cleaning 75 Total Labor 1273 Grand Total New Motor 3384.29
(back) Subject: '68 Fender Availability (near Chicago) From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:39:44 EST My brother lives in McHenry, IL and is restoring a '68 Firebird. He is looking for a source that has good repro '68 Fenders. Anyone have any experience with these ? Cost/Source ? He's also interested in a list of Chicago area parts dealers. (along with contact info) I suggested.... D&R, Tamraz's, Chicago Firebird & Camaro. Others ? Thanks !
(back) Subject: Chicago Area F-Body Part Sources From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:43:50 EST Any List Members live in the Chicago area ? My brother is in McHenry and restoring a '68 Firebird Conv. He's looking for some fenders. I know there are a few big parts companies out there but have not dealt with them in a awhile. Appreciate any info along with contact info/location. Thanks !
(back) Subject: Re: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:43:07 -0600 TOM... HAPPY TO SAY THAT I FOUND A455. 73 455 OUT A GRANVILLE WITH 70K. THANKS FOR THE OFFER HELP OUT. ANDREW
(back) Subject: RE:Pontiac Track Times From: <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:21:45 EST All Pontiac people who would like their car and engine's dyno'd feel = free to IM me or Email me with your info...all info that i need from you can be = found at this web site <A HREF=3D"http://thedynoroom.homestead.com/webpage.html">WebPage</A> ....or = copy and paste this address ......... http://thedynoroom.homestead.com/webpage.html i built this web page myself so it my take a minute to load,its still = under construction and i'm trying to get some responses from people as to how = well they like what i do....so i figure why not start with the best for free "Pontiac"
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) - stretch From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:34:52 +1100 YEH, could you just imagine one of these baby's with a long set of rails ? = and maybe with 2 or 3 455's out front. Pretty awesome looking dragster!...cheers, Dale '68 Conv. > Must be the stretch model ;-) > lookin good. > Hugo
(back) Subject: Re : Chicago Area F-Body Part Sources From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:46:51 +1100 John, There's also "The Parts Place"......which might be in the vicinity ? Website is : http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com, Address : 217 Paul Street, Elburn, IL Phone : 630-365-1800 Proprietors :Joe & Bernice They're putting out a 12 page price list which might be worth acquiring. If anyone on the list is after their price for comparison they could drop = me an e-mail off list. They seem to do a very good deal on freight to the = West coast too, which is usually heaps cheaper than anyone else I deal with. I've bought quite a few parts from them and found the service, parts & prices to be very good. cheers, Dale '68 Conv.
(back) Subject: repro parts From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 19:26:46 -0600 I was watching my classic car on speedvision, and they had a segment on replacement sheetmetal, They had a 69 convertible and behind it they had the 400 repro hood, Dennis Gauge stated that this hood is die stamped on the original GM tooling. I just got one on friday, Todd C
(back) Subject: header fabrication- From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:52:04 -0500 Subject: header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:57:39 -0700 i am modifying a set of 1970 'bird super comp headers to fit my 1968. I have one tube on the header that won;t fit pas tthe steering box. i ahve heard that a manual steering box might fit this but i want ps. so i have decided to re-make the header. i recently bought a welder and i have been practicing welding thin 2" tubes into all sorts of shapes the problem is that i don;t have a tubing bender. where can i get a tubing bender that will bent 2"-4" exhaust tube without crushing it/?? anyone have any experience with this??i have heard of "mandrel bent" headers but io don;t know what a mandrel is. or how one works. i would like to get something that will bend from 2"-4" tubes so that i can do the whole exhaust system = my self. what about flaring tools ?? where can i find this gear? i have checked a few places locally with no luck danny 68-400 new mexico Danny, It wouldnt be feasible to buy a tubing bender for a 2 inch pipe. Any exhaust shop will have one. My advise is to have them bend one to the shape needed then splice it in yourself. Heres a little trick I use to pattern tubing. Use a stiff but bendable wire ,such as what a coat hanger is made from, and bend a pattern of the shape you need. If you use the centerline of existing tube then bend pattern to follow. Using the center line of new tube, compare the wire pattern to it while bending. It can get complicated with compound curves so use your imagination. Just remember that the fewer and more gradual the bends the better. If possible have the end of replacement tube swedged to act like a = coupling. Try not to butt weld tubing together,as its better to weld the flared = portion to the parent tube. Also best to face the repair portion of flange away from exhaust flow. As for the rest of exhaust use a system from Walker/Dynomax who offer mandrel bent over axle pipes for F bodys. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:27:28 -0500 Great photo Dale, brings back memories. I even made a temporary subframe = out of 4x4s to get it to the body shop. now I wish I had photos to share, but they came up missing over the years. Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <hugoba@apcom.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Must be the stretch model ;-) > > lookin good. > > Hugo > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 16 18:00:29 2001 > > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:13:31 -0500 > > From: Geoff Martin <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > > To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > .......................................................................... > > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) > > > > Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' > > Show Pages: > > > > Dale Barkla >
(back) Subject: RE:Pontiac Track Times From: "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:33:30 -0000 well free works for me and if it'll help you too, well then hey! Block: Pontiac 350 (1976) Bore: Stock Stroke: Stock CID: 350 # of cyl's: 8 Cyl. heads: 6X-4 d-port (stock) Valve size: 2.11 int 1.66exh. Compression ratio: 7.6:1 Carb: Quadrajet 4bbl 800cfm Intake manifold: 1975 stock hi-rise 455 Fuel: 91 octane Exhaust: Stock manifolds, no cats, 2 1/4 all the way with dynomax super turbo mufflers and H-pipe Cam Brand: Crane hydraulic, hydraulic lifters, .440/.440 lift, 266/266 advertised duration. cam timing: +4 Vehicle type: firebird, 1976, 3700lbs, stock wheel base, rear drive, = th-350 automatic, shift improver kit, 2000rpm stall,kelly charger 255/60/15's = (27.1 tall), 2000rpm launch, red line shift, 3.08 rear gears. Thanks Rod 76 firebird 350 pontiac > All Pontiac people who would like their car and engine's dyno'd start with the best for free >"Pontiac" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: 700-R4 recommendations From: "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:17:50 -0800 I came across a 700-r4 tranny today that is allegedly from an 86 camaro. It does not have a dipstick so i have not checked the fluid. Does anyone have any experience w/these? Anything to look for? How about the lockup switch? How do I connect that and how much would that cost. It doesnt have any plug w/it. It is not in any car right now either. What kind of crossmember mods/driveshaft mods would I have to do? Also is there any way to tell if the torque converter is the right one? Has anyone ever swapped a 6 speed manual in a first gen? I am wondering about that instead. Would that be expensive or hard compared to a 700-r4? Thanks Dennis ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.