First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Ivy gold interior- was 350 H.O. added.. by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Re: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: 68/69 hood latch by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> PHS Docs by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Help, still stuck on this horn thing! by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> 68 dual bulb front turn signals by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> What now ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft by "A Jason Maynard" <ajasonm@one.net.au> Re: Body (sic)manuel by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> aluminum intake by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> RE: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> RE: aluminum intake by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> RE: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Fw: FW: Rear control arms. - Frame Rails by "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Re: Rear control arms. by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: aluminum intake by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Rear control arms. by "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Fw: List Server: Re: Rear control arms. by "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> RE: aluminum intake by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com>
(back) Subject: Ivy gold interior- was 350 H.O. added.. From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:09:25 -0800 Chris My 68 has the Ivy gold interior. I've sometimes seen it referred to as = gold. Looks pretty green to me. (I bet Glenn wouldn't like it, He hates = green) >Subject: 350 H.O. added.. >From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:18:39 -0800 > 1968 Verdora Green Firebird 350 H.O. Convertible >Hey Jeff, what color is the interior ? PHS paper's say that's >what mine was.Verdora Green, white top, gold interior. >Chris >68 350 H.O. Drop-top ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:39:58 -0500 Nice trivia information Bob. I had no idea they were Fords and GM = (Holdens) .. They just looked like AMCs to me because I've never seen anything like them. How'd you know all that stuff? Thanks, Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > > Way back on 17 Feb, Dale writes: > >Jeff, I think Mad Max was "Road Warrior" in the U.S ? > > Mad Max was released is the U.S. in 1979 under it's original > title, with the Aussie dialog dubbed over with "American" > english. Mad Max 2 was released in the U.S. under the title > The Road Warrior in 1981. The first movie has a sort of cult > status in the U.S. > > >Funny, to > >be honest I can't even remember an AMC in Mad Max. Must have been a > >Javelin ? > > This was in response to the comment by Jeff: > >> Glad to hear it mate. I guess you could say you have one of the "last of > >>the > >> V-8's" Are there really a lot of AMC's in OZ like in Mad Max? Night > >>Rider. > >> Remember him when you look up at the night sky... > > There aren't any AMCs in the film. > > The Nightrider drove a 1972 Holden (GM of Australia) HQ LS Monaro. > The line went more like "...the last of the V8 interceptors". > > The yellow MPF cars consisted of a 1974 Ford (of Australia) > Falcon XB sedan with a 302 V8 (driven by Max before going "Mad"), > a 1972 Falcon XA sedan with a 6 cyl. > > And of course, there is Max's famous black car, a modified 1973 > Ford XB GT Falcon coupe with, by most accounts, a 351 Windsor, > and a non-operational blower. > > The Australian cars, both from GM (Holden) and Ford are fun > to see since their shapes are familiar yet strange looking. > > The only Pontiac in any of the films appears to be a 1969 GTO > in the MFP headquarters yard. > > -BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 Convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM > >
(back) Subject: Re: 68/69 hood latch From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:44:48 -0500 I just bought one of the 400 Goodmark hoods as well for my 69 and would = love to know where to find a hood latch. This car was bought with hood pins because the old hood was rusted out around the opening - so the previous owner took out the latch for some reason (bonehead), but the support with the spring and brace is still there... Thanks, Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 7:24 PM Subject: 68 hood latch > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Well I am in need of a 68 firebird Hood latch, > > I had purchased one on Ebay a few months ago, and I put it with my = parts > collection, > > Now I just received a 400 repro hood and this latch cannot be a 68, It will > not fit in the opening in the hood. Dug out my original 67 latch and it is > an exact match to the one I purchased that was suppose to be a 68 latch. > > So If some one has a 68 and needs a 67 I would be happy to trade. > Or if some one has one they can sell let me know > Thank you > Todd Chynoweth > pinec@pitnet.net > > >
(back) Subject: PHS Docs From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:20:30 -0500 Paul: I am not a 67 expert (I have a 68), but did'nt the 67's have to option to come with the Rally I wheels? I don't think Rally II were available yet (someone else help me out here) and thus reading the sample PHS on the 67 Firebird Page(as below), it seems to me that if both box 45 and box 46 = were blank, then your car did not have the wire wheel discs, the custom wheel discs or the deluxe wheel disks. This leaves the Rally I rims as possible = wheels on your car??? That is my thought, as always I could be wrong. Maybe someone else with a 67 and their PHS can help more. Maybe this = helps. Wire Wheel Discs 45 1 Custom Wheel Discs 8 Deluxe Wheel Discs - Std. W/Cust. Trim 46 1 Deluxe Steering Wheel - Std. W/Cust. Trim 2 Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Re: Block Paint and PHS docs From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:19:56 -0800 (PST) Hey Jason, I've always wondered the same question about the original rims = on my 67 - the 45 box on my PHS documentation is blank (?). The 46 box is as = well (for custome wheel discs). Tires were the E70 redline wide ovals. To Bob = and the rest of the board - any thoughts on what originaly came on this car = (it has 14x6 rally II's on right now - I'm not able to tell if they are the = original set)? Thanks, Paul Beers 67 400 conv _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Help, still stuck on this horn thing! From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:07 -0500 Hey list, I finally dug out my PHS yesterday (had to find it in all my Firebird = papers and catalogs, now I have a photocopy to keep at my workbench) and found = out my car did not have the dual horn option (quite a shock to me). I know Chris asked this before, but if no dual horns, which single horn was used....high note or low note or other?? Second thing, if we can determine what single horn was used...does anyone have a working one for sale ?????? I don't mean to be a pain in the a-- about a stupid little horn, but I want to get this right before putting parts of my engine compartment back together. THANK YOU! Keith 68 H.O. (hoping not to be a pain in the butt) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: 68 dual bulb front turn signals From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:46:27 -0500 I'm thinking about getting rid of one of my 68 cars,it has the dual = bulbs,I believe this was an early model occurence?would I be wise to switch these with a single bulb setup from one of my other firebirds and keep it,it doesn't look like it would be too hard to do,would it?housings look to be = in good shape.thanks,Larry
(back) Subject: What now ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:22:52 -0800 Can you take a closer picture and put it on your web site ? Then maybe ask Geoffe or John ( Framiar ) to take a peek ? I would ask John 1st. Also try Gary Patrick. Let me know. This is starting to get interesting :) . Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft From: "A Jason Maynard" <ajasonm@one.net.au> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:00:43 +0800 Would it be at all possible to get look at this article?? Thanks, Jason ex-400 bird Subject: Re: Picture of a 68 in Car Craft From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:19:50 -0800 (PST) Did you guys also see the 455 Buildup?? (i think it's in the jan. = issue... just got it last week) I like the bottom end torque curve.. :) also costs over 5K. :( Hmmmm. When the 350 goes i know what i'd like to replace it with. Attila 68 350 coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Body (sic)manuel From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:09:04 -0800 (PST) Chris Porter writes: >I see the body manuel's on E-bay all the time. Are these any >good ? If these manuals are the Fisher Body Guide, they are great. They go by model year. So buy the one for your year car. They have data on all GM cars produced that year, so you'll have to hunt for the F car specific stuff. Inside you'll find instrucions and diagrams for bumper clearance specs, window mechanism drawings, fender alignment data, etc. Along with your correct year Pontiac Service Manual, this book will be your constant companion in restoring or repairing your car. Heck, it's fun to just leaf through the book to see how things go together. > Is there better ones out there ( here ). Thanks. Nope. This is the one to get. Just remember that Ames, Classic Industries, Year One, and most of the others, all sell these books. So, if you bid on one on ebay, just don't pay too much. I don't know if the group purchase mentioned earlier included this book. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: aluminum intake From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:10:36 -0500 what's the major difference between edelbrock performer and performer rpm for street and strip?Larry
(back) Subject: RE: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:39:43 -0800 (PST) Gerard Green writes: >How come you know so much about Aussie cars ?? While I'd like very much for you to think I was just brilliant, or that my bag of car knowledge has no boundaries, the answer is a bit different. Over the years, on every car list, and a number of non-car lists, the questions comes up. What were those odd looking cars in the Mad Max movies? What kind of Ford Mustang or Torino is that? It didn't help that I really dig these films. So, my secret is that a couple of years ago, I stumbled on this website: <http://www.madmaxmovies.com/> You'll find an incredible collection of trivia, pictures, and general stuff related to the cars, movies, and locations. Now you know. I'm not brilliant. Just good at hanging on to useless knowledge, and collecting odd links. Oh yeah, in my earlier post, I transposed the initials MFP, which stand for Main Force Patrol. The police organization Max, Goose, and the other belong to. -BoB San Jose,CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: RE: aluminum intake From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:11:36 -0500 Performer is a good substitute for the stock manifold, lighter and better flow. Like the Pontiac iron intake, it's still dual plane and gives good performance from idle up, at the expense of high RPM output. Its better = for stoplight-to-stoplight racers (like me). Performer RPM is a high rise dual plane, that is set up for 1500+ RPM performance. You might be happier with a stall converter on your automatic with a Performer RPM. Edelbrock website www.edelbrock.com does a great job of explaining the advantages of each. Bob Trimpe First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... what's the major difference between edelbrock performer and performer rpm for street and strip?Larry
(back) Subject: RE: Mad Max & Car show - was : Re: An observation about us 1stgenners From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:20:09 >While I'd like very much for you to think I was just >brilliant, or that my bag of car knowledge has no >boundaries, the answer is a bit different. Over the >years, on every car list, and a number of non-car >lists, the questions comes up. What were those odd >looking cars in the Mad Max movies? What kind of >Ford Mustang or Torino is that? It didn't help that >I really dig these films. > >So, my secret is that a couple of years ago, I stumbled >on this website: > ><http://www.madmaxmovies.com/> Confoundit Bob, that's dissappointing, you should've just let us think = you were that smart... In case anyone is interested, and I'd like to think everyone is waiting on = the edge of their seats to hear my news, I'm driving down to just outside = of Atlanta tomorrow to pick up my very first Pontiac Firebird!!!! I'm pretty excited. It's not the one I was telling everyone I wanted = (don't have the money for that right now) but it's a beauty. It's a 1968 350 = coupe. I'll put some pictures on the web, and maybe even on the "official" = website for you guys to see. Thanks for all the help everyone has given me so far, = I'm sure I'll need more in the future. Matt (expecting father/owner of a '68 coupe) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Fw: FW: Rear control arms. - Frame Rails From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:29:36 -0800 > > > >Bob, > > > >In answer to your other question, > > > >> >In the > >> >long run, I may add on the rear subframe rails by Performance > Suspension, > >> > >> Is that PST out of New Jersey, or Performance Suspension > >> Components in Arizona? > >> > > > >The frame rails I was referring to are by Competition Engineering, not > Performance Suspension. Sorry for the confusion, I have looked at way to > much stuff trying to figure out what to do. They are available from = Jegs. > > > >http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3D31128&prme= nb > r=3D76&path=3D76%202187%203518 > > > >or just go to http://www.jegs.com and look in their online catalog. > They're pretty easy to find. > > > >Lance Holmes > >67 400 Coupe > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Rear control arms. From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:05:04 -0500 If anyone has a drivers side version of one of these plates I'd really = like to purchase it. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: x1r1 x <x1r1@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: Rear control arms. First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I might add that in '68 GM switched to the staggered shock setup to better control axle wrap (and therefore wheelhop). the stock control arm/traction bars do not atttatch to the framerails. but instead to two studs(each) which project through the floor from a heavy (almost1/8") plate under the back seat passengers' rear. I have a pic of the passenger side plate from above for you here: http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/images/31%20whats%20the%20heavy%20plate%20LRf= o otwell%20.JPG Good luck Rowan
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:13:31 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Dale Barkla 1968 Cameo Ivory Firebird 400 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D137) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: aluminum intake From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:31:21 -0600 I HAVE READ TESTS THAT THE RPM MANIFOLD HAS COST TIME IN THE QUARTER MILE DUE TO THE NEED FOR HIGH RPM. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE RPM RANGE OF = THE ENGINE YOU BUILD, AS THE STOCK ENGINES ARE HIGH TORQUE AT LOW RPM. ANDREW PANEK 69 CONVER
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:07:49 -0800 (PST) Must be the stretch model ;-) lookin good. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri Mar 16 18:00:29 2001 > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:13:31 -0500 > From: Geoff Martin <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-16-2001) > > Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' > Show Pages: > > Dale Barkla > 1968 Cameo Ivory Firebird 400 Convertible > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D137) > > ------------------- > Enjoy - Geoff > '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) > (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) > > More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) > (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs) >
(back) Subject: Re: Rear control arms. From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:26:03 -0800 Yeah me too! Lance Holmes 67 400 Coupe > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > If anyone has a drivers side version of one of these plates I'd really like > to purchase it. > >
(back) Subject: Fw: List Server: Re: Rear control arms. From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:46:20 -0800 > > Rowan, > > Thanks for the info, and the pic. This clears things up a bit. It seemed > crazy to mount these things to the pan, but now it makes more sense. = I'll > have to pull my seat and see if I have this plate on the left side. The > metal seemed pretty flimsy from underneath the car. > > Does any one know if the 6 cyl. cars, the ones with only one traction = bar, > had the plates on both sides? > > I have reason to believe that the rear half of my car started out life = as > a > six, and then had the front(subframes forward) replaced with a 400 (I = have > an interesting receipt from a junkyard) Possibly the rear axle and > traction > bars were brought in with the front end/engine replacement. > > Thanks in advance, > > Lance Holmes > 67 - 400 Coupe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: Rear control arms. > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > ........................................................................ > > I might add that in '68 GM switched to the staggered shock setup to > better > > control axle wrap (and therefore wheelhop). > > the stock control arm/traction bars do not atttatch to the framerails. > but > > instead to two studs(each) which project through the floor from a = heavy > > (almost1/8") plate under the back seat passengers' rear. > > I have a pic of the passenger side plate from above for you here: > > > > > http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/images/31%20whats%20the%20heavy%20plate%20LRf= > o > otwell%20.JPG > > > > Good luck > > Rowan > > > >
(back) Subject: header fabrication- tube benders and flare tools From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:57:39 -0700 i am modifying a set of 1970 'bird super comp headers to fit my 1968. I have one tube on the header that won;t fit pas tthe steering box. i ahve heard that a manual steering box might fit this but i want ps. so i have decided to re-make the header. i recently bought a welder and i have been practicing welding thin 2" tubes into all sorts of shapes the problem is that i don;t have a tubing bender. where can i get a tubing bender that will bent 2"-4" exhaust tube without crushing it/?? anyone have any experience with this??i have heard of "mandrel bent" headers but io don;t know what a mandrel is. or how one works. i would like to get something that will bend from 2"-4" tubes so that i can do the whole exhaust system = my self. what about flaring tools ?? where can i find this gear? i have checked a few places locally with no luck danny 68-400 new mexico
(back) Subject: RE: aluminum intake From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:26:04 -0600 Larry, What are you putting the intake on? >>> TrimpeB@rajones.com 03/16/01 02:11PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Performer is a good substitute for the stock manifold, lighter and better flow. Like the Pontiac iron intake, it's still dual plane and gives good performance from idle up, at the expense of high RPM output. Its better = for stoplight-to-stoplight racers (like me). Performer RPM is a high rise dual plane, that is set up for 1500+ RPM performance. You might be happier with a stall converter on your automatic with a Performer RPM. Edelbrock website www.edelbrock.com does a great job of explaining the advantages of each. Bob Trimpe First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... what's the major difference between edelbrock performer and performer rpm for street and strip?Larry