First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: PA Birds by "saltydog" <saltyd@home.com> Turn Signal Switch Part Number? by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Stuck Bulbs by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: track times by <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Re: PA Birds by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: FYI on my engine by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: Engine "TICK" by <Birdm58293@aol.com> Re: Engine "TICK" by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Engine compartment paint by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Stuck Bulbs by "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Re:Engine compartment paint by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? Thanks Bob by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Phoenix injector group purchase by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: Engine "TICK" by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Parts in California (NOT MY OWN) by <Chuck_Sellers@hotmail.com> RE: engine comp. paint. by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Engine "TICK" by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: PA Birds by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: PA Birds by <hugoba@apcom.com> engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: PA Birds (Weather) by "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Dumb Move Requirs New Parking Light by <F119flight@aol.com> RE: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> RE: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: "saltydog" <saltyd@home.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:08:54 -0600 I got mine out yesterday, and today it was fun here in TN. saltydog 69 400 coupe > > Did you guys see the forecast for Sunday and Monday??? Sunny and in the Mid > 50's. OK, are we ready.........EVERYONE START YOUR ENGINGES! Open the > garage door, its time to go for a spin!!!! > > Keith > 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: Turn Signal Switch Part Number? From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:38:17 -0500 Subject: Turn Signal Switch Part Number? From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:30:19 US/Eastern Can anyone tell me if a T/S Switch part# 7800483 is correct for a 67 Firebird? I know I have a white delco switch. Does anyone have the means to check this part number? Thanks in advance, Kevin Kevin it was a real mess trying to determine what turn signal switch you need.I have some 67 and 68 columns,both tilt and non tilt, that have boyne switches.These are usually blue or red(pink). The delcos are white. The easiest way to determine if your column came with a delco is to look at the hole where the hazard flasher knob comes thru the column. A factory delco switch will have a "D" shaped hole. The boyne will have a round one.This is especially helpful when the column is missing a switch or youre not sure what it needs. The delco switches are still available in a superceded form, which has a generic (post 69) pigtail and an adapter for pre 69 wiring connector. Hope this clears it up. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Stuck Bulbs From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:44:40 -0500 How do I get out stuck bulbs? Mine Are jammed in there good, with the ends = of the base bent inwards (using pliers) adn the bulb broken off. I'm re-doing = my electrical system, and I don't want to break anything. Steve, What bulbs in particular? This is how I get out turn/brake bulbs.. Make sure you unhook power at battery first.(just making sure!) Use = WD 40 if stuck in due to corrosion. If just wedged in, I use needlenose = pliers inserted into base of bulb, depress, and try to free. If not, try to = squeeze the brass base at the top correlating with the socket nubbs that hold bulb = in socket. Only squeeze enough to allow some working space for pliers to grip inside and outside of bulb, and try to depress and turn. Dont squeeze = opposite as this will expand the nubbs further into socket. Say nubs are = at N/S position, thats where you want to squeeze. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: track times From: <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:49:16 EST i can dyno and run your car down the quater mile online with you using all = your car's set up ..if your interested in horse power ,torque and ET's ....just email me or im.....
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:12:22 -0600 HEY JOE WHAT PART OF CHI TOWN ARE YOU CRUISING? JUST LOOKING FOR OTHER PONTIAC = GUYS INTHE AREA AND WHERE I MIGHT FIND SOME REAL CARS. KINDA QUIT IN THE = WESTERN SUBURBS OTHER THAN FROMT WHEEL SLUGS... ANDREW PANEK 69 350 CONVERT
(back) Subject: Re: FYI on my engine From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:35:48 -0600 AS FAR AS THE PASSION PART, I AM NOW LEGALLY BLIND AND JUST BOUGHT A 69 = 350 CONVERTIBLE. THE WIFE IS STILL KINDA HORKED OFF BUT COMING AROUND. LOOK FOR A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM ME AS I CAN'T SIMPLY LOOK THINGS UP IN A BOOOK ANYMORE. ANDREW PANEK 69 350 CONV
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: <Birdm58293@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:23:28 EST I'm just putting my engine back together. I had a lifter making alot of noise, it turn out that the lifter was badly worn on the bottom and the = lobe of the cam almost all gone. I had replaced the cam and lifters about 1 1/2 = years ago, i can't figure out why i only lasted this long. $200 later.....new cam and lifters + gaskets and Misc. crap. Hopefully it will = be ok..I'll find out tomorrow when i finish putting it back together. So to answer your question, It requires you to take the manifild and = valley cover off. Make sure when it's off to check the cam lobes. All in all a weekend job if you have everthing you need. Tom
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:15:56 -0500 Pontiac rockers are not adjustable, unless you have replace them with some = sort of aftermarket stuff. The stock rocker nut should be tightened all = the way down! If you don't, it will come loose! The nut is not a jam nut = like a chevy. Stumann Stumann.. HA! had to throw in the Chevy comment. You are correct in your statement, per Pontiac specs. Guess I never = had the privilage of rebuilding a bone stock Pontiac, never found one that didn't need work. I use stamped rockers and adjust my valvetrain the way I = posted. Theoretically, at lobe base, torqued the rocker nut to where it is = snug, checking for rocker play until ceases. and turned another 1/4 to 1/2 = turn. Never had one come loose on me (except for a worn nut) and never had = valvetrain failure. Pressure from the spring/lifter kept nut from working loose. In a perfect world, stock specs work. If I knew his engines pushrod length, I could be of more assistance. If it's stock torque it to 20, and = if it loosens, replace nut and/or stud, and check for lifter failure or lobe wear. If not stock length, and he's doing what the manual says, he could = be causing more harm than good. Nobody likes a collapsed lifter, or worse a worn lobe. My recommendations should avert any unnecessary valvetrain stress. If that rocker nut loosens and he hears the TICK again, I suggest = he measure pushrod length, compare with stock specs and go from there. By the = way John, I have a good set of studs/nuts, if you need 1 or all. Hypothetically, one could be dealing with other unknown factors such = as deck height and head milling, or even mismatched components to begin with which could throw off geometry. We do not know. Glad you checked me on that Stu. I seemed to forget how simple Pontiac = made thier rocker adjustments. Reality can be a good thing. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Engine compartment paint From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:35:08 -0800 They are spray can's. I think there's 12 to a case, not sure, but that sound's correct. Let me know, it's supposed to be the correct color for our cars. It sound's like there is enough interest. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Stuck Bulbs From: "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:02:55 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: Stuck Bulbs : First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List : = ......................................................................... : How do I get out stuck bulbs? Mine Are jammed in there good, with the = ends of : the base bent inwards (using pliers) adn the bulb broken off. I'm = re-doing my : electrical system, and I don't want to break anything. : : One trick I used (on beetle bulbs) was to take a piece of wood, make it = the exact diameter as vthe inside of the base. Use a little force to stick it = in the base(so don't make it to small) and wrap a wet piece of cloth around = the wooden stick. The water will make the wood bigger in diameter and after a couple of hours you can rotate the stick using pliers. Grab the stick as close to the base as possible otherwise stick will break, problem gets worse:-) Sorry for my bad english, I hope you get the idea what I meant.
(back) Subject: Re:Engine compartment paint From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:03:51 -0500 Chris Porter says> >Is there a better solution to painting my >compartment ? Just thought I'd offer, and ask everyone Chris,altho it may be a good deal, it wont look the same as the original 68 paint.Truth is GM had some problems with the chassis black along that era and it actually looked milky. If you will look at a well preserved,low miles,garage kept,original car you will see that the finish looks to have a milky almost greyish look to it. Todays GM chassis black is a much better paint,but I for one use the latest in technology paint and add flattener to match the level of gloss. 2 part paints are soooo much better in retaining color,durability,flow = out, and are lower in VOCs.If you are doing a spot repair then go for the GM = stuff. But for a frame off I would use the good stuff. BTW a 2 part paint is not Base coat/Clear coat, its a catalized paint. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? Thanks Bob From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:13:36 -0500 Rob Wiersma writes: >I'll look them up on the internet, thanks for your answer Sure. And welcome to the list! By the way, I forgot to mention that the 1967 Service Manual comes in two volumes. The main volume, with information on all 1967 Pontiac Models, and the Firebird Suppliment with Firebird specific info. You will need both. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM Rob, being a newbie,you would have missed the group purchase of manuals that Bob didnt mention. I still have a few left for 67. 67 Firebird supplements 67 Owners manuals. As a whole the group purchase went over well. Gary
(back) Subject: Phoenix injector group purchase From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:22:29 -0500 While on the subject of group purchases,Im going to place an order for the Phoenix injectors. Response hasnt been overwhelming but at $175 I guess most are scared off.This is a tool that should last many years and is completly rebuildale.The price is also cheaper than their plastic model which has fewer features. This is for the kit with attachments,case and a 40 min training video. I know brake flushing isnt one of the favorite things to do, but it should be done on a regular basis.Why spend $1000 on a new brake system only to neglect the $4.00 worth of fluid. Gary
(back) Subject: RE: Engine "TICK" From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:27:48 -0500 John, How is your tick coming? When can we get together so I can get the gtech and 100? I found the manual for that carb as well. let me know tim
(back) Subject: Parts in California (NOT MY OWN) From: <Chuck_Sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:01:11 -0800 4 TIRES, 70 Pontiac Firebird, Rallye II rims, 14x7, w / trim rings, + 2 center caps, & lug nuts, $300 (818) 951-4870 1967-69 FIREBIRD, lots of body, interior parts & options, you name it, $5-$500 (818) 886-6469 1968-69 FIREBIRD front bumper, new, chrome, $300 (818) 767-6198 1969 Pontiac firebird engine and transmission. Engine Size (400) transmission ( Turbo 400) jlemus@kbhome.com $1000.00 (323) 855-9499 1970-81 Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird, 4.11 posi rear, complete = drum to drum, $300 or best offer (562) 691-5261 1968-72 FIREBIRD sub frame w disk brakes, complete, also drum brake, frtn engine, $150-$250 (714) 216-1754
(back) Subject: RE: engine comp. paint. From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:31:37 -0800 Thanks for the info Gary. Unfortanly, my car is a long way's away from original. A little milky color huh ? Is this new stuff somewhat close ? I don't want to misslead anybody. Just thought it was a good deal. I saw the add in Ames for the paint and it claimed to be GM. I thought I'd call up my buddy and see if he could get it for me. Is the stuff Ames has the same as what I would get from my local dealer ? Thanks again. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:19:19 -0500 Tim - Today -- Whats your phone # again??? -----Original Message----- From: Slobird <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Engine "TICK" >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >John, > >How is your tick coming? > >When can we get together so I can get the gtech and 100? > >I found the manual for that carb as well. > >let me know > >tim > >
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:07:48 -0500 I'm shoveling out (again). Over 2 feet this week in mid-coast Maine. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: saltydog <saltyd@home.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: PA Birds First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I got mine out yesterday, and today it was fun here in TN. saltydog 69 400 coupe > > Did you guys see the forecast for Sunday and Monday??? Sunny and in the Mid > 50's. OK, are we ready.........EVERYONE START YOUR ENGINGES! Open the > garage door, its time to go for a spin!!!! > > Keith > 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) I can feel your pain ;-) We've got sunny days and 70's+ here in CA. The convertible is clean and ready to cruise (now that the f@#$#%g rains have stopped). Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Mar 10 12:03:31 2001 > From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: PA Birds > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:07:48 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > ......................................................................... > I'm shoveling out (again). Over 2 feet this week in mid-coast Maine. > > Check out www.badgoat.net > -----Original Message----- > From: saltydog <saltyd@home.com> > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: PA Birds > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > ......................................................................... > I got mine out yesterday, and today it was fun here in TN. > saltydog 69 400 coupe > > > > > Did you guys see the forecast for Sunday and Monday??? Sunny and in the > Mid > > 50's. OK, are we ready.........EVERYONE START YOUR ENGINGES! Open the > > garage door, its time to go for a spin!!!! > > > > Keith > > 68 H.O. >
(back) Subject: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:58:36 -0600 i have 2 350 engines, a 73 and a 70 for my 69 convertible. spare pares include a set of 389 heads 1.92 1.77 valves and a 70 ram air iii intake. will it be more cost effective to find a 400 or 455 or should i build a = 355? not looking for a drag racer, just a spunky cruiser. andrew panek 69 350 conv
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds (Weather) From: "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:33:12 -0500 Yep, now that the snow stops and it warms up, my trusty employer sends me to Massachusettes (or however you spell it) for 2 weeks. Figures. Not complaining though, at least this year I have a job. All things come to he who waits. To those of you who have, or will be, starting up and hitting the streets, please accept my undying envy. Bye all. Rich Durham Weatherly, Pa. '68 Firebird Stock 350
(back) Subject: Dumb Move Requirs New Parking Light From: <F119flight@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:42:12 EST Boy did I do a dumb thing today! I have been "restoring" my 68 front = parking light lenses including spraying them with clear coat. They looked really = good and shiny like new but the clear coat seemed too soft and I figured it = would not put up with much road abuse. So I thought I could help cure it and = make it harder by baking it in the oven at very low temperature. But, you = guessed it I got distracted (doing income taxes) and left it in the oven too long. = When I opened the oven door my lense was a distorted oozing blob. Anyway I = now have three problems 1- my oven needs to be calibrated, 2- I owe Uncle = Sam money and 3- worst of all I need a replacement 68 front left parking lamp lense. Does anybody have a lense I can buy? Please email me off line if = you can help, thanks Steve, 68 350 Convert (w/o left turn)
(back) Subject: RE: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:52:09 -0600 350/5 would be more cost effective. 400/455 would be "spunkier". ~Dean Larson '69 Coupe i have 2 350 engines, a 73 and a 70 for my 69 convertible. spare pares include a set of 389 heads 1.92 1.77 valves and a 70 ram air iii intake. will it be more cost effective to find a 400 or 455 or should i build a 355? not looking for a drag racer, just a spunky cruiser. andrew panek 69 350 conv
(back) Subject: RE: engine dilemnaRe: PA Birds From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:45:31 -0500 Andrew, What is the condition of the engine in bird now, if any? If it runs, cool. If you are not happy with overall performance of 350, and = considering rebuilding an engine, I would find a good 400 core and heads and go from there. I paid a little more for my 350 pistons than my 400..go figure. I look at it like this, If your thinking of bigger, why not? 400's are relatively easy to come by, and if your existing 350's need work, so will = a used 400..so realistically, your only out the cost of block/heads..your = oil pan, timing cover, etc can be used. I went looking for a running 400 over the past 4 days, and found 3 = that ran great, and had good cyl. compression. Price ranged from $200 to 350 complete, I had to pull though. They can be found cheap, be persistant. Tom 350/5 would be more cost effective. 400/455 would be "spunkier". ~Dean Larson '69 Coupe i have 2 350 engines, a 73 and a 70 for my 69 convertible. spare pares include a set of 389 heads 1.92 1.77 valves and a 70 ram air iii intake. will it be more cost effective to find a 400 or 455 or should i build a 355? not looking for a drag racer, just a spunky cruiser. andrew panek 69 350 conv _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:23:29 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: James Roderick 1968 Blue Firebird 400 Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D134) Note: Put the finishing touches on the voting capabilities of the Online Show. Going to let it run for awhile before any contests are rolled out. Each unique "Close-up View" counts as a vote. To view who is in the lead, select "Top Ten" from the "Show" selection and then click on the "Go" button. ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:37:42 EST In a message dated 3/11/2001 4:08:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org writes: << http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D134 >> Geoff I'm going to have the use my ESPand say the picture of the bird that = I don't rember anything about, cuz I was looking at the female in the red = dress is going to win. Hot chicks and cars is they anything else? John
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-10-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:58:03 -0500 John, I new when I added the picture awhile back it would be the first to win and would require the establishment of the "one time" rule. I am still trying to convince my wife to poise in a skimpy bikini in front of my bird. She won't because I can not answer her question, "What will I be drooling over?" Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >don't rember anything about, cuz I was looking at the female in the red >dress >is going to win. Hot chicks and cars is they anything else?