First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: welding.... by "Jeff Mann" <jsmann@cox-internet.com> Re: Cylinder index by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Re: Sprint HD by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: welding.... by "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Fuel Pump Pix by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> PA Birds by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Cheviac or Ponchette by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Cyl. Index/Play Day at Hugo's! by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: PA Birds by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> FYI on my engine by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Turn Signal Switch Part Number? by <peterskm@voicenet.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1810 by <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Engine compartment paint by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Turn Signal Switch Part Number? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Front-edn rebuild questions by <peterskm@voicenet.com> Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? by "Ken Reimer" <kreimer@uniserve.com> tood tach and hei? by "Eric Heinrich" <ericheinrich@hotmail.com> RE welding by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Engine "TICK" by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Forget this Pontiac vs Chevy by <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Re: Front-edn rebuild questions by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Front-edn rebuild questions by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Engine "TICK" by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net>
(back) Subject: Re: welding.... From: "Jeff Mann" <jsmann@cox-internet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 05:58:42 -0600 I was in the same boat when I first started on my Bird. The best advice is to just practice. I did buy a instruction book on Welding when I bought my Welder. It gave me some tips on technique and what a good and bad weld look like. But, practice is the only way to get better at it. Jeff Mann jsmann@cox-internet.com www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7505/ I have some headers that i need to do some work on (floorpans also) and i jsut bought a mig welder and gas bottle. the only problem is that i have never really welded before anyone have any tips i know that welding thin metal can be tricky, but i have plenty of time to practice and i think i can do it. i am jsut curious as to what techniques work well for this type of thing- -danny albuquerque nm
(back) Subject: Re: Cylinder index From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:36:45 -0600 I think I am suffering from Cylinder envy! 68 FB 350 Convert 8 95 Jeep Cherokee 6 79 Catalina sailboat 4
(back) Subject: Re: Sprint HD From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:45:10 -0500 Chris - Wow! I'm really surprised to find people who have these things on the list. I emailed Brett the details of the one I've been working on.. it's in pieces right now, never been able to ride it due to clutch problems. That seems to be common at least on the early ones. (This one is a 68) I'm not sure how much "puttering" John will be doing on it... he's 6'5 and almost 280lbs.... that little bike will almost disappear under him...haha. It's fun to work on anyway.. until you get to the stuck screws holding the crankcase halves together. Mike .......................................................................... > Hey Mike, I too have a '72 125 cc Hraley Davidson / >Aeromacchi. It's for my wife to "putter" around on, while I >ride my FXSTSB, `96 Springer. Those little bikes are cool. >Feel's like a ten speed. > > >Chris >`68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: welding.... From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:04:36 -0500 The other thing I would recommend is an autodarkening helmet. Got on for myself for my birthday this year. Make it so much easier. Just line everything up and pull the trigger. The view of the work hardly changes. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Fuel Pump Pix From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:24:47 -0500 Chris, Congrats on going to be a dad. I thought that way also many years ago before any of the kids, wanted my stuff and wanted to do what I want. = After kids, everything changes for awhile. It is all about the kids, rightfully so, it is very fulfilling (but sometimes frustrating). Just a word of advice, time will be of the essence, not many things will get done = other than taking care of the baby, just hang in there, keep working (even = if just a little bit) on the car because you will need the time to = yourself. Then, after a couple of years you can build a nicer garage and start in with the toys again!!! I can't wait until SPRING! Keith 68 H.O. Subject: fuel pump pix From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:42:30 -0800 Thanks Keith, I can see all I need to see. Filed it in my Firebird/engine section for now. Man I need to find a Pontiac 455. It sure look's better w/ a PONTIAC engine. I can't wait to pull my Old's engine out ! Nice garage. Although,, I'd live in that little space, and make the house it's connected to my garage. Only problem.....my wife ( 7 month's pregnant with our first child ) would KILL me ! :O) Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: PA Birds From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:36:02 -0500 To the PA Bird Contingency: Did you guys see the forecast for Sunday and Monday??? Sunny and in the = Mid 50's. OK, are we ready.........EVERYONE START YOUR ENGINGES! Open the garage door, its time to go for a spin!!!! Keith 68 H.O. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Cheviac or Ponchette From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:46:24 -0500 Hey, Hey, Hey, slow down guys! Take a breather. No reason to argue about this subject that has been around since sliced bread. Everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it, can't we all just get along? Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "ray russell" <fastolbird@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:40:05 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >........................................................................ I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO ACTIVATE MY "NARROW MINDED IDIOT" FILTER ON MY = EMAIL!! ray, 67 mutt bird owner and proud of it!! www.hotrodder.com/fatolbird kevin says............... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Cyl. Index/Play Day at Hugo's! From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:46:38 -0600 Total 98 Cyl. - Can we come and play at your house? ____________________________________________________________________ Well, I set a little bit of space aside at work so if you want to play come over there since that's where the lift is. Keeps the wife happy ;-) Hugo Next time I'm in SF (mid May) I'll gather up Mike from San Carlos and we'll stop by to play at your house (Shop) then... and I'd better see that Johnny Lightning car I sent you sitting on your desk or something! I almost sent you another one when you said you didn't get it... Keep collecting until then... Brett in Seattle, 67 Drop Top 455!
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:17:17 -0600 Heck Keith... last week here in Chi-town, it was 44 and there were cars = out cruising!!! Saw a 69 Bird and some hot mopars (is there such a thing??) Supposed to be in the 40s again here tomorrow... I am gonna crank my bird up and get her blood circulating!!! Have fun guys!!!!!! Joe Rotman 68 Firebird 350 Convertible (in need of a bath and a carb blow-out!)
(back) Subject: FYI on my engine From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:04:00 -0800 The Old's engine thats in my Bird right now is kind of spoken for. A friend has a `68 Gutlass ( for now ;-) ) drop-top thats awaiting this engine. I told him I would swap a Pontiac for an Old's. He's been looking for a while. I just want to get my hands a runner for now. Since we are expecting, I can't see dropping a lot of coin into it at this time. I'm hoping to find a runner so I can at least drive it for the time being. It's a long process, but like I said before, "at least it's in MY garage". Keith, thanks for the advice. My wife already knows, and more importantly, understand's my addiction to cars. From what I've read here, I'm not the only one. Working on my Bird is more fun than most understand. I know that most people here do understand. It's not a car, it's a passion. I figure 5 years, and I'll be close to being done ( with this one...lol ). Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Turn Signal Switch Part Number? From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:30:19 US/Eastern Can anyone tell me if a T/S Switch part# 7800483 is correct for a 67 = Firebird? I know I have a white delco switch. Does anyone have the means to check this part = number? Thanks in advance, Kevin --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1810 From: <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:42:03 -0500 Hey folks, Browsing the web I found a link to the entire 1969 accesorizer on this = site http://memturbo.com/pontiac/1969_us_accessory_catalog.htm All scanned in and ready to go - thought someone might be interested David David Kiklis Director of Computer Services Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler St. Cambridge MA 02138 617-520-3661 p 617-520-3640 f
(back) Subject: Engine compartment paint From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:44:55 -0800 I just got off the phone with a close friend at a local GM dealer. I was asking about engine compartment paint. He told me he can still get it, but only by the case. I get real good prices through him. But I don't need a case. If enough people would like some, I'll buy a case and ship it to those interested for the same price I get it for + shipping. He said about 3 to 4 buck's a can. Is this the way to go ? Is there a better solution to painting my compartment ? Just thought I'd offer, and ask everyone Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top.
(back) Subject: Re: Turn Signal Switch Part Number? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:45:47 -0800 (PST) Kevin writes: >Can anyone tell me if a T/S Switch part# 7800483 is correct for a 67 = Firebird? >I know I >have a white delco switch. Does anyone have the means to check this part = >number? My parts book indicates that part number 7800482 is the correct item Switch Assembly, Direction Signal Group 2.895 7800482 1967-68/All-With floor shift-Delco-White plastic (same p/n for column shift) 5698520 1967-68/All-With floor shift-BOYNE-Blue plastic (same p/n for column shift) 5699993 1967-68/All AT or HT -Exc Tilt Wheel-With column shift-BOYNE-Blue plastic 7800006 1967-68/All AT with Tilt Wheel and column shift -BOYNE-Blue plastic The above is taken from a Firebird specific parts book, effective Nov. 1974. My other parts book, for all Pontiacs, dated April of 1983 shows these additional part numbers: 1893592 67-68 F6-F8 W/column shift-White-Delco (same p/n for floor shift) I couldn't say if 7800483 supersedes 7800482. That doesn't seem to be the case before 1983. Is it possible that the last digit is really a 2? -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Front-edn rebuild questions From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:54:01 US/Eastern I am trying to psyche myself up to do a rebuild on the front end of my 67 = bird. First, I have a couple of questions...I was looking at harbor freight for some of = the tools I to make it a little easier and came across two type of spring compressors. = Anyone buy one from harbor freight? Which one and is it worth it? Also...Glenn, I was looking at the Herb Adams Steel Bushings and they = don't give much of a warranty. They talk about the nylon insert being replacable which is = great, but I don't wanna do this again for a long while. Any thoughts on longevity? One last question...if I don't go with Herb, I will probably buy a kit = from PST. Are their kits good? Does anyone make a better kit? Lastly, Is it worth = buying the super kit from PST which comes with everything or is this getting over my novice = head? Thanks in advance, Kevin --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/
(back) Subject: Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? From: "Ken Reimer" <kreimer@uniserve.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:17:47 -0800 Ditto what Bob said, Also valuable books are: 'How to restore your Collector Car' by Tom Brownell 'How to Restore your Muscle Car' by Greg Donahue & Paul Zazarine 'Camaro Restoration Guide 1967-9' by Jason Scott 'The Fabulous Firebird' by Michael Lamm These books are all available at www.motorbooks.com (all disclaimers apply) Also, GM assembly manuals are absolutely invaluable. Just my .02 Regards, Ken At 11:13 AM 3/8/2001 -0800, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > > >Rob Wiersma writes: >>Can somebody help me out, is there a book that covers it both? or do I >>have to buy two books and if so wich ones are the best and do you use >>yourself?. > >Two books to buy initially. The appropriate Pontiac Service Manual >for your year car, as well as the Fisher Body Guide for that same >year. Both can be ordered from the various restoration parts >companies such as Year One, Ames, and Performance Years, among >others. > >These books are aimed at experienced mechanics, and were used >by the Pontiac service departments. Some people use the Chilton's >and Haynes books. But these books cover a wide span of years, >and may not include detail about your specific year. Some >have illustrations for a specific proceedure that feature a >Chevy engine. This makes them rather limited in their use. > >-BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 Convertible >
(back) Subject: tood tach and hei? From: "Eric Heinrich" <ericheinrich@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:46:38 Does anybody know if I would be able to install a hood tach if I have HEI? = I have a 67/400. Any feedback is appreciated. Eric Heinrich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE welding From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:02:50 -0500 Subject: welding.... From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:37:43 -0700 I have some headers that i need to do some work on (floorpans also) and i jsut bought a mig welder and gas bottle. the only problem is that i have never really welded before anyone have any tips i know that welding thin metal can be tricky, but i have plenty of time to practice and i think i = can do it. i am jsut curious as to what techniques work well for this type of thing- -danny albuquerque nm Danny get some sheet metal from an old car, preferably the same vintage as the one you are working on. Practice,practice and practice. Run the heat and wire feed up and down to see the effects of each setting. You will probably want to run about 40 amps or so if youve got ..028 wire. Main thing is to fill and weld not just pile a bunch of metal on top. You would be surprised as to how good you can do with a few hours of practice. Also buy a good hood that changes darkness. Called auto darkening. Happy welding Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:47:21 -0500 Hello all - I was wondering - cause I did as Tom suggested - I took off my valve cover and there was a certain Rocker loose. Oil was pumping through the push rod. Anyhow I tightened the rocker till I didnt hear the tick = any longer. How tight should they be? The book says 20#'s. that was for a 1968-400. i'm running a 1977 400 that is brand new rebuilt. Should I just put the valve cover back on? Call in a BOP man. $40.00 minimum. Hmmm....Any advice about this is surly & greatly appreciated. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Tom Grzywacz <ban67shee@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >>From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> > > >>Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK = TICK >>TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it right >>when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & >>right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it >>back >>up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks >>John. > > >John, > >Sounds like a bad lifter (not pumping up/bleeding or loose rocker. What = is >your oil pressure at idle/3,000 rpm? I usually replace all 16 (cause I am >too lazy to go through and find the bad one) First identify which bank noise >is coming from, remove valve cover, check rocker arms for play, rotate >engine 90 degrees, repeat process. The loose rocker typically is bad lifter. >Lifters are $60 for a good set, and a good investment if one has gone = bad. > Tom >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >
(back) Subject: Forget this Pontiac vs Chevy From: <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:32:51 -0500 How about this for a conversion http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D566827966 David Kiklis Director of Computer Services Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler St. Cambridge MA 02138 617-520-3661 p 617-520-3640 f
(back) Subject: Re: Front-edn rebuild questions From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:39:39 -0800 I bought the one that goes up inside the spring. Looks like a pair of two black claws and a threaded rod that goes between them. It worked great. We've done 2 cars with it so far. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Front-edn rebuild questions From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:00:31 -0500 Kevin -There will be some others on here with some other different very = good advise - it's all good. -- heed all. and then do it the best way you think I rebuilt my front end last year. I bought my kit from PST - the sway = bar poly busings dont fit. I got rubber on everything else. Other than that I was happy with what they offered. I dont like the shocks but I bought = them now I'm stuck with them. Redoing the front end is not hard at all. As far as a spring compressor. = I didnt use one. I used a 'come-along to keep the spring from flinging out. Putting it back together I inserted the spring in between the "A" arms and = I also used it to compress the spring so I could close the "A" arms back together. It was very easy. When you put the bushings in your front end - Use some white lightning grease if you dont you will hear a "popping" sound after awhile of = driving around. . .. John. -----Original Message----- From: peterskm@voicenet.com <peterskm@voicenet.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Front-edn rebuild questions >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I am trying to psyche myself up to do a rebuild on the front end of my 67 bird. First, I >have a couple of questions...I was looking at harbor freight for some of the tools I to >make it a little easier and came across two type of spring compressors. Anyone buy one >from harbor freight? Which one and is it worth it? > >Also...Glenn, I was looking at the Herb Adams Steel Bushings and they = don't give much of a >warranty. They talk about the nylon insert being replacable which is great, but I don't >wanna do this again for a long while. Any thoughts on longevity? > >One last question...if I don't go with Herb, I will probably buy a kit = from PST. Are >their kits good? Does anyone make a better kit? Lastly, Is it worth buying the super kit >from PST which comes with everything or is this getting over my novice head? > >Thanks in advance, >Kevin >
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:36:58 -0500 Forget all that - I shut the engine off - waited 45 minutes - turned the = key again - What did I hear? Tick Tick tick. same rocker was doing it again. I'm calling the BOP man. (but I still would like to hear what everyone = has to say. How easy is it to change the lifters? John. -----Original Message----- From: John Wern <jwern@charter.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hello all - I was wondering - cause I did as Tom suggested - I took off = my >valve cover and there was a certain Rocker loose. Oil was pumping through >the push rod. Anyhow I tightened the rocker till I didnt hear the tick = any >longer. How tight should they be? The book says 20#'s. that was for a >1968-400. i'm running a 1977 400 that is brand new rebuilt. Should I = just >put the valve cover back on? Call in a BOP man. $40.00 minimum. >Hmmm....Any advice about this is surly & greatly appreciated. Thanks = John >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Grzywacz <ban67shee@hotmail.com> >To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:06 PM >Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" > > >>First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >>.........................................................................= >> >>>From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> >> >> >>>Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK >>>TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it >right >>>when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & >>>right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it >>>back >>>up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks >>>John. >> >> >>John, >> >>Sounds like a bad lifter (not pumping up/bleeding or loose rocker. What = is >>your oil pressure at idle/3,000 rpm? I usually replace all 16 (cause I = am >>too lazy to go through and find the bad one) First identify which bank >noise >>is coming from, remove valve cover, check rocker arms for play, rotate >>engine 90 degrees, repeat process. The loose rocker typically is bad >lifter. >>Lifters are $60 for a good set, and a good investment if one has gone = bad. >> Tom >>_________________________________________________________________