First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? by "ray russell" <fastolbird@hotmail.com> Too Much Stuff by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Avgas by <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> welding.... by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? Thanks Bob by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Most Cylinders (Previously Cheviac or Ponchette) by "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1809 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> RE: 400 engine, worth the time ? by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: welding.... by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: 400 engine, worth the time ? by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: Rust Control by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Economics 101 by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Sprint HD by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: welding.... by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? by <PStonebrak@aol.com> track times by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> 400, worth the time by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: welding.... by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Re: Cyl. Index... by <hugoba@apcom.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "ray russell" <fastolbird@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:40:05 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO ACTIVATE MY "NARROW MINDED IDIOT" FILTER ON MY = EMAIL!! ray, 67 mutt bird owner and proud of it!! www.hotrodder.com/fatolbird kevin says............... > Tom, This issue has > been argued uncountable times over the years that I have been a member = of this list. Take > it from me, it is not a battle anyone can win. I prefer my bird = modified, others prefer > their's stock. Either way everyone has something to offer to this list. > > Just had to insert my .02 > > --Kevin > 67 "Mutt Bird" Coupe > > > > Tom Says... > .. > I guess I will have to deal with deleting all this Chevy crap from now > on...Time to install an ANTI "Chevy" email filter. Maybe you = Pontiac/Chevy > guys can start your own "mutt bird" site.... > > Tom
(back) Subject: Too Much Stuff From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:54:02 -0500 .......Hugo says>>........................................................ > >Slightly off topic, but, does anyone know which auto tranny came with the > >83 > >Pontiac V6's?? > >I have a project car that may not go back together but it occurred to me > >that > >it may have a 2004R in it and it so happens that the previous owner had it > >replaced before abandoning the project. If this is the case, then I'm in > >good > >shape for my conversion (although the bellhousing may not be = correct). > >If nothing else, where can one look at the transmission to see what model # > >it > >is? > > > >Hugo > Hugo I just re read the post and will clarify. Its a 700 trans if its a V-6 Camaro/Firebird with 2.8-3.4. 2004Rs were behind the 3.8s. The 700 for the 60deg V-6 has the same internals as a V-8 one but the case has a smaller bellhousing. It dawned on me when I saw the 83 V-6 listed on your stable roster. And while were totally off subject. Heres my list plus or minus a 100 or so. 96 Aurora 8 87 S10 6 83 Blazer4x4 6 78 Seville 8 72 Cheby PU 6 68 Bird Sprint 6 68 Bird Sprint wanna be 6 68 Bird Convert 8 68 Bird 8 67 Tempest Sprint 6 67 Tempest Sprint 4 dr 6 66 Tempest Sprint 6 John Deere Backhoe 4 Can I count the spare engines? 20 or so mostly 6s Oh yea theres motor cycle,go karts and garden tractors Anyway its out of control... Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Avgas From: <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:12:52 -0500 Tom - hey I'm a CFI too any other pilots out there??? In a fit of = delirium one day years ago my airport manager let me wind the bird out on a tank of 100 LL it out in the runways at PYM in Mass. David Kiklis Director of Computer Services Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler St. Cambridge MA 02138 617-520-3661 p 617-520-3640 f
(back) Subject: welding.... From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:37:43 -0700 I have some headers that i need to do some work on (floorpans also) and i jsut bought a mig welder and gas bottle. the only problem is that i have never really welded before anyone have any tips i know that welding thin metal can be tricky, but i have plenty of time to practice and i think i = can do it. i am jsut curious as to what techniques work well for this type of thing- -danny albuquerque nm
(back) Subject: Re: Which book(s) to buy for firebird '67? Thanks Bob From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:44:11 -0800 (PST) Rob Wiersma writes: >I'll look them up on the internet, thanks for your answer Sure. And welcome to the list! By the way, I forgot to mention that the 1967 Service Manual comes in two volumes. The main volume, with information on all 1967 Pontiac Models, and the Firebird Suppliment with Firebird specific info. You will need both. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Most Cylinders (Previously Cheviac or Ponchette) From: "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:46:07 -0800 I dont feel so bad even though I am hopelessly beat. I am in high school and I have 36 cylinders. a chevy 305, 307, and 350. A pontiac 350 and toyota 4cyl. Only two of those motors are actually in cars though. Not bad for under 18 yrs old though Dennis ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1809 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:50:14 -0600 Brett- Those harleys.... are they by chance "sprint" models? I've been helping a buddy with a '68 sprint "aeramachia." right now the clutch is shot, basically the engine/crankcase is getting a rebuild.... Mike _____________________________________________________________ 8) 73 Harley 90cc =3D 1, 9) 73 Harley 125cc =3D 1 Mike, they are What Harley caled the Light Weights and are Aeramaci = Italian based. Here is a site dedicated to only these bikes with lots of links to parts supliers etc... Just another rare toy... like our Birds! If you want more info let me know, I'll see if = I can help! http://members.aol.com/italianhd/index.html Brett - 67 Drop Top 455 (& 2 Harley's...) :p http://members.aol.com/italianhd/index.html
(back) Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:58:00 -0500 I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO ACTIVATE MY "NARROW MINDED IDIOT" FILTER ON MY = EMAIL!! ray, 67 mutt bird owner and proud of it!! www.hotrodder.com/fatolbird kevin says............... I am going to paint my bird hot pink with yellow daisies in protest. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: 400 engine, worth the time ? From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:47:12 -0500 Hey Chris, If you don't have a pontiac motor, an olds 455 has got to be the next best thing. I bet it pulls pretty hard with the 4 speed. Have you ever taken = it to the track? Got any times? Car crap olds was around 500 hp and 550 lb = ft with performer intake and comp cams xe278 I would just leave it alone tim
(back) Subject: Re: welding.... From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 02:50:38 Practice a lot before you actually put down your permanent weld on your headers or floorboard. Go buy some scrap metal of different gauges to try out. Make sure you practice on getting the current right and not heating = up the metal too much, it will warp badly if you do. One continuous weld on thin metal usually warps it if not done properly. Practice on thick metal and go thinner until you get the hang of changing current for different applications. Have you ever welded anything before?? If not, then if you know anyone that works in a buisness where they would have to weld, have them show you the technique. Telling someone how to weld and actually showing someone how to weld is completely different. Matt Schmid >From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: welding.... >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:37:43 -0700 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I have some headers that i need to do some work on (floorpans also) and i >jsut bought a mig welder and gas bottle. the only problem is that i have >never really welded before anyone have any tips i know that welding = thin >metal can be tricky, but i have plenty of time to practice and i think i >can >do it. i am jsut curious as to what techniques work well for this type of >thing- -danny albuquerque nm > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 400 engine, worth the time ? From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:28:00 EST If nothing else the heads would work great on a 455. So the engine is = running good? I say it is a deal at 200. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: Rust Control From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:56:48 EST Check out Zero Rust. I'm sure you can find them on the Internet. Pete
(back) Subject: Economics 101 From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:09:15 EST Chris, If the Olds Bird runs good just find an Olds freak to buy it. If it = is in the car then a test drive just might be the ticket to sell it it to = him. One mans junk is another mans treasure. This would finance a Pontiac = engine and would possibly justify it to your pregnant wife. Pete
(back) Subject: Sprint HD From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:14:01 -0800 Hey Mike, I too have a '72 125 cc Hraley Davidson / Aeromacchi. It's for my wife to "putter" around on, while I ride my FXSTSB, `96 Springer. Those little bikes are cool. Feel's like a ten speed. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: welding.... From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:22:49 EST Danny, You may want to check with local high schools or JC. One may have a shop course with welding taught at night. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:26:23 EST I'm sure we're all real happy for you. So whats the big deal. I've heard = it all. Small block Chevys are good motors, they just never were a problem = for my 455. Always looked lovely in my rearview mirror. Even the newest teched = out ones. Cubic inches rule. Love that cheap torque! Pete
(back) Subject: track times From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:27:33 -0800 Nope, never taken her out to the track. Don't get me wrong, I love the way the engine runs. I pull's VERY hard. But when you pop the hood, it doesn't look right to me. I'm kind off anal ( so I'm told.....lol ) about the appearance of my cars ( and bikes ). I think it should look as close to original as possible. I had a `74 T/A 455 4-speed when I was 18, and a `76 T/A 400 when I was 21. I miss popping the hood and seeing that big Pontiac looking back at me. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: 400, worth the time From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:31:36 -0800 I think I'll wait for the 455. When I was told the bracket's were different, that made me decide to hold off. I'll wait until the 455 comes around. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: welding.... From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:07:29 -0500 Another idea woud be to go to a body shop and ask for wrecked panels. I am sure they would be glad to help. Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks/home.htm '68 Firebird Photos http://communities.msn.com/68FirebirdRestoration/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: Re: welding.... > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Practice a lot before you actually put down your permanent weld on your > headers or floorboard. Go buy some scrap metal of different gauges to = try > out. Make sure you practice on getting the current right and not heating up > the metal too much, it will warp badly if you do. One continuous weld on > thin metal usually warps it if not done properly. Practice on thick = metal > and go thinner until you get the hang of changing current for different > applications. Have you ever welded anything before?? If not, then if you > know anyone that works in a buisness where they would have to weld, have > them show you the technique. Telling someone how to weld and actually > showing someone how to weld is completely different. > > Matt Schmid > >From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> > >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > >Subject: welding.... > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:37:43 -0700 > > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >I have some headers that i need to do some work on (floorpans also) and = i > >jsut bought a mig welder and gas bottle. the only problem is that i = have > >never really welded before anyone have any tips i know that welding thin > >metal can be tricky, but i have plenty of time to practice and i think = i > >can > >do it. i am jsut curious as to what techniques work well for this type = of > >thing- -danny albuquerque nm > > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Cyl. Index... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:35:35 -0800 (PST) Well, I set a little bit of space aside at work so if you want to play come over = there since that's where the lift is. Keeps the wife happy ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu Mar 8 08:34:56 2001 > From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Cyl. Index... > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:47:39 -0600 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Importance: Normal > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Total 98 Cyl. > I think that's it. > Hugo > > Hugo, You da man... you da man. Can we come and play at your house? > > Brett, 67 Drop Top 455! >