First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Rust Control by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Leather option by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Engine question by "Mic" <firemans68bird@yahoo.com> RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? by <hugoba@apcom.com> List Server: Re: 83 2004r just say NO by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: 400 vs 455 by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> 68 page by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> 68 page by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:26:59 -0500 "Well hmmm I think I maybe opened Pandoras box". To Quote... Alot of the information on this site deal with the history of the Firebird, production, original equipment codes, restoration specs, restoration guides etc. Here lies information that you do not find = anywhere else, in such detail, in the .com world. I don't see how swapping engines from a Chevy to a first gen bird is relevant to list topics. Sure you have = Pontiac sites (CP/PY) which have the engine swap, building a race motor, transmission swaps etc. There is a site (PY) which has a "tech talk" Q&A board which deals with this subject. I frequent this site because I believe Geoff has great commitment maintaining this site and locating massive amounts of factual material concerning factory specs. A wealth of reliable and knowledgable = contributors (Glenn/John) are here as well. and all the BS aside, this is the best = first generation site out there. I like this site because it refrains from suggesting/implying major modifications, unlike other boards and sites. I guess I will have to deal with deleting all this Chevy crap from = now on...Time to install an ANTI "Chevy" email filter. Maybe you Pontiac/Chevy = guys can start your own "mutt bird" site.... Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Rust Control From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:52:57 -0500 My thought the only way to eliminate rust is to remove rust, don't get scared when it comes to stopping the spread of cancer! RonMan
(back) Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:08:16 -0800 (PST) Ok, since you showed us yours, here is mine: (starting from oldest) 1955 Packard Clipper 8 1964 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Firebird 326 Coupe 8 1967 Firebird 400 Coupe 8 1969 Firebird 350 Coupe (400 now) 8 1969 Firebird 350 Convertible (400 now) 8 1983 Firebird Coupe 6 1990 Toyota 4Runner 6 1995 Chebby Subburban 8 1998 Pontiac TA 8 ----- Subtotal 68 Spare LS1 8 455 block and pieces 8 400 engine taken apart 8 Chebby 235 (got it for free) 6 ----- Total 98 Cyl. I think that's it. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Mar 7 16:14:25 2001 > From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> > To: "'First Generation Firebird-L'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:30:33 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > Importance: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Hey X1, > > Sounds like you have your sh@t together. I wish you luck. I was = actually > originally thinking you had an lt1 motor. My friend put one in his 68 > convert from a wrecked 93 camaro with a 6 speed. > > He got it in, but with many many unforseen problems, for example the = pass > key theft system had to disabled, and a whole bunch of small but = important > details. > > I am not really against chevys. I have a 95 camaro, a 96 dodge truck, = my > pontiac, and a ski boat with a ford 351. > > So I have just about all of the brands covered, I am an owner of 4 = running > v8 engines. Along with my 2 extra pontiac engines, my cylinder index is = 6*8 > =3D 48. > > Guys, what is your cylinder index? In many parts of the world it is a > measure of manliness. > > tim
(back) Subject: Leather option From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 20:50:49 -0800 >what Geoff has on the site...you should check those pics also Thats the first time I've seen those pictures. Seat 's, visor's, door panel's, they did it all back then. What a BEAUTIFIL car ! Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Engine question From: "Mic" <firemans68bird@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:28:22 -0800 (PST) Hi all, On Friday I am going to look at an engine for sale and I have a few questions. The guy who is selling it thinks it is a Pontiac 455 out of a '73 wagon, however he isn't positive. He says that it runs and he wants $400 for it. My questions are: 1) Besides getting the numbers off of it, what else should I look for to help identify it? 2) Where should I look for possible problems with the motor? My plan for the engine is to rebuild it (it will be my first rebuild) and transplant it into my '68 'Bird (currently has a late '70s 350 w/HEI and 4bbl Q-jet.) Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Michael '68 Cameo 400 coupe http://communities.msn.com/Firemans68BirdNest LEARN CPR, IT SAVES LIVES!!!! BE COOL ABOUT FIRE SAFETY!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:05:35 -0800 (PST) OOOps. I forgot one (the poor thing is sitting in a corner waiting for surgery) 1997 TA 8 That makes it 106. Man, the oil companies must love me ;-) Hugo ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Mar 7 21:52:19 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: hugoba@apcom.com To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Ok, since you showed us yours, here is mine: (starting from oldest) 1955 Packard Clipper 8 1964 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Firebird 326 Coupe 8 1967 Firebird 400 Coupe 8 1969 Firebird 350 Coupe (400 now) 8 1969 Firebird 350 Convertible (400 now) 8 1983 Firebird Coupe 6 1990 Toyota 4Runner 6 1995 Chebby Subburban 8 1998 Pontiac TA 8 ----- Subtotal 68 Spare LS1 8 455 block and pieces 8 400 engine taken apart 8 Chebby 235 (got it for free) 6 ----- Total 98 Cyl. I think that's it. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Mar 7 16:14:25 2001 > From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> > To: "'First Generation Firebird-L'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:30:33 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > Importance: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Hey X1, > > Sounds like you have your sh@t together. I wish you luck. I was = actually > originally thinking you had an lt1 motor. My friend put one in his 68 > convert from a wrecked 93 camaro with a 6 speed. > > He got it in, but with many many unforseen problems, for example the = pass > key theft system had to disabled, and a whole bunch of small but = important > details. > > I am not really against chevys. I have a 95 camaro, a 96 dodge truck, = my > pontiac, and a ski boat with a ford 351. > > So I have just about all of the brands covered, I am an owner of 4 = running > v8 engines. Along with my 2 extra pontiac engines, my cylinder index is = 6*8 > =3D 48. > > Guys, what is your cylinder index? In many parts of the world it is a > measure of manliness. > > tim
(back) Subject: List Server: Re: 83 2004r just say NO From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:07:21 -0800 (PST) Boy, you popped my balloon ;-) Thanks for the info Gary. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Mar 7 14:09:12 2001 > X-Sender: gary@mail.tcworks.net > Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 16:20:34 -0500 > To: firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > Subject: 83 2004r just say NO > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > ......................................................................... > ................................................................. > >Slightly off topic, but, does anyone know which auto tranny came with the > >83 > >Pontiac V6's?? > >I have a project car that may not go back together but it occurred to me > >that > >it may have a 2004R in it and it so happens that the previous owner had it > >replaced before abandoning the project. If this is the case, then I'm in > >good > >shape for my conversion (although the bellhousing may not be correct). > >If nothing else, where can one look at the transmission to see what model # > >it > >is? > > > >Hugo > > > Hugo can we say boat anchor?? > Pre 86 2004Rs were a POS. > get one from a Monte Carlo SS or a Buick Grand National > 86 or newer. Best core to start with. > Gary > >
(back) Subject: Re: 400 vs 455 From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:24:14 -0500 Joe I am not knocking 455s I just got one myself to build I am just saying that the 400 is a great motor also and runs strong as well as being cheap to build by the way mine is running NO stall and 3.23 gears with a jet change on the nos plate I can hit 12s also just don't like to push her to hard and Lord knows a stall will be the next thing in kills me out of the hole later Daniel [cheap gas if there is such a thing] Ray
(back) Subject: RE: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:39:19 -0500 No wonder there is an energy crisis in California...Hugo is hogging all = the fossil fuel! Nice conglomeration. Suprised to see no 68's in the nest..I guess I'll be brave and let the world know too... 67 bird (Pontiac engine) restored 8 67 bird (Pontiac engine) in process 8 90 Festiva (w/Pontiac 428) HD springs 8 She can haul a long block too! 96 T/A (Man, another Pontiac engine) 8 2 400 blocks/1 428 and 1 455 (Pontiacs 32 Do boats count? 4 tractors? 2 70 (no, 66 I was fibbing about the Festiva) Don't think Hugo can be beat... Tom Ok, since you showed us yours, here is mine: (starting from oldest) 1955 Packard Clipper 8 1964 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Olds Vista Cruiser 8 1967 Firebird 326 Coupe 8 1967 Firebird 400 Coupe 8 1969 Firebird 350 Coupe (400 now) 8 1969 Firebird 350 Convertible (400 now) 8 1983 Firebird Coupe 6 1990 Toyota 4Runner 6 1995 Chebby Subburban 8 1998 Pontiac TA 8 ----- Subtotal 68 Spare LS1 8 455 block and pieces 8 400 engine taken apart 8 Chebby 235 (got it for free) 6 ----- Total 98 Cyl. I think that's it. Hugo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: 68 page From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:43:54 -0500 made some changes to homepage. check it out Steve
(back) Subject: 68 page From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:45:22 -0500 da on me. Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html