First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Group get togethers... by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: 68 front license plate bracket by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: 68 conv top boot clips by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Firebird Bulbs by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: 400 Trunk Emblem by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Fuel Lines by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Production Numbers by "bill mckenna" <blmck@hotmail.com> 67 pics on the web by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> REAL 69 TA convertible for sale by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Re: Which shifter for my 700R4? by <peterskm@voicenet.com> Re: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: 68 front license plate bracket & boot clips by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Part availablity (floorpan related) by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Anyone know about this??? by "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Re: 67 pics on the web by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> One more thing please by "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Re: Fuel Lines by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Production Numbers by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: One more thing please by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Pontiac Historic Services (was 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Pontiac Historic Services (more opinions) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: 400 Trunk Emblem by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Fuel Lines by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: One more thing please by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Group get togethers... From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:29:19 -0500 Brett, Yes, I agree we need to have multiple gatherings to give the opportunity for everyone to try to go. I have an area in the Firebird Classifieds ( http://FirstGenFirebird.org/ubb ) called Show Organizations which we can utilize for this. Along with listing the detailed information there, we can remind each other about our local event on this list. I just listed both the Ames and Trans Am National information. Since I donated a couple shirts last year to the Trans Am nationals in Ohio, I am going to attend this year. Think I am going to miss the POCI Nationals this year since house repairs is going to dictate how much fun money I can spend. Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >How about setting up multiple gatherings? Like the two main Pontiac show = in >the Mid West, as it has been mentioned there is a show in Mid May in = Ocean >City MD, and I'm sure quite a few others... and we have an All Pontiac = Show
(back) Subject: Re: 68 front license plate bracket From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:33:22 -0500 Chuck, I believe I have a repop one tucked somewhere if you still need it. Let me and I will look in the boxes for it. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >list if you do. chuckhazelton@surfree.com Thanks, Chuck. >Chuck Hazelton
(back) Subject: Re: 68 conv top boot clips From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:40:09 -0500 Chuck, does your kit have metal clips separate from the plastic pieces? It has been several years since I put mine together but I can go out and look to see if I can remember how. I know I did not leave enough room for the two snaps on each side (put these on last). Remember when you put the clips and snaps in place the boot will shrink when it is cold and makes it a bear to put on. Well, this is if you had it in the sun before starting. Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >Ordered a new one & the clips came in a plastic bag with no >instructions. Can anyone point me to info on installing the clips to the >boot? Thanks a bunch, Chuck.
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird Bulbs From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:22:51 EST In a message dated 3/5/01 10:05:21 PM Central Standard Time, SteveBrady1@aol.com writes: << SteveBrady1@aol.com >> Steve, I sent to your aol address a scanned page from my '68 owners manual which = has all the bulbs listed. Jim 68 400 HO Conv
(back) Subject: Re: 400 Trunk Emblem From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:30:56 EST In a message dated 3/5/01 10:12:39 PM Central Standard Time, SteveBrady1@aol.com writes: << SteveBrady1@aol.com >> Steve, Frank led you to a template. I sent a picture directly to your aol = address. Jim 68 400HO Convt.
(back) Subject: Re: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:16:40 -0500 I couldnt have said it better. Hell Yea. John. -----Original Message----- From: Slobird <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >Well, first I want to say I hope I don't offend anyone here, but you guys >are really making me sick talking about putting all of those chevy = engines >in your pontiacs. > >I hear a lot of people talk about reliabilty. I am not that skilled of a >mechanic but have never been stranded by my pontiac, and it runs fine = with >carb etc. I suggest a torquey pontiac motor instead of getting some = chevy >tpi engine with about 225 net hp. Best to opt for at least a 400 and if >possible 455. A 350 tpi engine is going to be a dog in a heavy car, >especially a 4000 lb convert like I have. That's why I opted for a 462 >torque monster. I'll be glad to put it up against any chevy powered = car, >especially a small block. And I get a whopping 10mpg, hey with an old = car >that doesn't have to pass emissions, why do you need fuel injection? = Just >put a ton of fuel in it, and blow what you don't burn out the tailpipes. > >Really, if you guys want economy and reliability get a honda. If you insist >on a chevy, how about a zz502 crate motor? > >tim
(back) Subject: Fuel Lines From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:14:44 -0500 Ahhhhhhh. The environment is better for all the fumes that were saved = from going up into the air. I have just one more question, what happens to all = that gasoline that gets blown out the dual tailpipes of our firebreathing v-8s....that can't be to good for the environment, oh well. Keith 68 H.O. (lots of stuff blowing out the tailpipes.....and loving it!) Emissions. Fuel vapors are harmful to the environment. That's why modern gas station pumps have a vapor capture system built into them. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Production Numbers From: "bill mckenna" <blmck@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:25:37 -0600 Hey guys, I'm not sure if original message made it out, but I'm looking specifically for production numbers of 1969 400 4 speed drop tops. I know 11,000 or so convertibles were made, but how many had the 400 engine with the manual tranny? Dad bought the car new and I'm trying to give him some history on what a great purchase it was. Thanks, -Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: 67 pics on the web From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:32:53 Hey everyone, remember the 67 convetible I was looking at and asked you = guys to take a look at and tell me what you think? Well the guy was asking = $3200 and he was firm on the price. After looking at everyone's comments and thinking about how much I could afford, I've decided to keep looking. I think that I can happen upon a better deal sometime. Anyway, I just wanted = to thank everyone for their responses and input. Matt Schmid _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: REAL 69 TA convertible for sale From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:10:18 -0400 ok with all the 69 TA convertible chatter i thought id throw this into the mix...just saw this ad pop up.... joe 1969 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM, CONVERTIBLE 1 OF 8 RESTORED IN THE LATE 80'S BY MILT ROBSON. FORMERLY OWNED BY OTIS CHANDLER 1 OF 4 WITH AUTOMATIC TRANS MILES IS BELIEVED TO BE ACTUAL. ALL NUMBERS MATCH BUT ENGINE BLOCK IS BELIEVED TO BE A RESTAMP. ONE OF THE MOST COLLECTABLE PONTIACS EVERY BUILT. THIS VEHICLE IS AVAILABLE FOR AUCTION ON 05/25-05/27/01 WITH MECUM AUCTIONS HELD IN BELVIDERE,IL. FOR MORE INFO SEE OUR WEBSITE: www.mecumauction.com
(back) Subject: Re: Which shifter for my 700R4? From: <peterskm@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:15:45 US/Eastern Roy, What type of modifications did you make to fit it in the console? How did = it turn out? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -------------------------------------- I used the B&M on the 700r4 I installed in my buddy's 68. It worked great. = I modified it to work on the factory console. Roy --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/
(back) Subject: Re: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:27:40 -0500 Slobird, I'm not offended by your opinion. But let's get this straight. My comment was I'm putting a, "350 T.P.I. into a first gen". The text in the note says... CAMARO. My 69 Firebird convertible 400 will remain that way. Personally, I like my Pontiac all Pontiac. But let's face it, even = Pontiacs these days are Chevys. I only submitted my comments so that anyone who would be interested on periodic updates on my progress could (and should) email me and I will put them on a separate posting list. If that person then want's to do the same swap into a Pontiac, Chevy, Ford or Dodge, well, that's their car and = their business. If I can help them is some along the way, great. I've messed with carbed motors all my (semi) adult life. Most of the time, = I also messed with points until I found out about HEI distributors. Now, I'm off to a new challenge... fuel injection. I like it, and I'd like to find = a way to install it on my Pontiac 400... along with a 4-speed automatic. Different strokes... Roy I 'v That's the great thing about this classic car stuff. If I'm paying for the gas, oil and insurance I can do what I want... it's MY car. I hope your = not offended by these comments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: "'First Generation Firebird-L'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: 400 eng/chevies in pontiacs > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Well, first I want to say I hope I don't offend anyone here, but you = guys > are really making me sick talking about putting all of those chevy = engines > in your pontiacs. > > I hear a lot of people talk about reliabilty. I am not that skilled of = a > mechanic but have never been stranded by my pontiac, and it runs fine = with > carb etc. I suggest a torquey pontiac motor instead of getting some = chevy > tpi engine with about 225 net hp. Best to opt for at least a 400 and if > possible 455. A 350 tpi engine is going to be a dog in a heavy car, > especially a 4000 lb convert like I have. That's why I opted for a 462 > torque monster. I'll be glad to put it up against any chevy powered = car, > especially a small block. And I get a whopping 10mpg, hey with an old = car > that doesn't have to pass emissions, why do you need fuel injection? = Just > put a ton of fuel in it, and blow what you don't burn out the tailpipes. > > Really, if you guys want economy and reliability get a honda. If you insist > on a chevy, how about a zz502 crate motor? > > tim > > >
(back) Subject: Re: 68 front license plate bracket & boot clips From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:32:08 -0800 Yes, I still need one. Thanks for taking the time to look. Let me know = what you want & where to send the M.O. Also on the boot clips (since you answered both my questions) the plastic part has a metal clip attached to the back of it. The boot itself has a thick, clear plastic band that runs around the back, underside of the = boot. This plastic band has die cut holes that sort of match the shape of the metal clip. Do you seperate the metal & plastic parts, put one on each = side of the plastic band, & snap them back together? That doesn't look like it would work. I'm sooo confused. Thanks a lot for your help. Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Subject: Re: 68 front license plate bracket > Chuck, > > I believe I have a repop one tucked somewhere if you still need it. Let
(back) Subject: Part availablity (floorpan related) From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:39:36 -0800 My floor pan replacment is going pretty good. I did end up cutting the = brace from the rocker. It was pretty rusted in there. I'm going to be needing a part that fits under the pans. It's located = towards the front, welded to the rocker panel, just out side the frame = rails and up the firewall about 2 inches. It measures about 15" x 5". It is not listed in any of the catalogs that I have. Has anyone had to = replace this part? I'm wondering if no one's Bird is as rusted as mine. J. Clear ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: Anyone know about this??? From: "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:37:06 -0700 I think I've asked this before and either my email didn't go through or there were no responses. Leather Interior. I've got in on my 68 Convertible 400. From what I can gather there used to be one guy on here with leather (it was a Ram Air bird he owned) At any rate it seems to be one of the rarest options available. Has anyone actually seen it in = person or knows someone who has it? There are a few area's that need repair and = I am desperately trying to gather information on it. I don't think I could = or would want to replace/repair the leather myself and I need to find the correct grain color etc... or even just find out how to fill in a long crack. So basically any info anyone has would be helpful. I appreciate = the comments. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 67 pics on the web From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:54:51 -0500 I think you made a wise decision Matt... That sounds like too much money for that car. I looked on autotrader's classic car section and found some = nice examples of 67 convertibles for around $5k. By "nice" I mean complete, good driveable condition. Things that you could work on as the funds and time come rather than being immediate basket cases. That's just = how I like to do it... Good luck finding another one! I know you want a 67 vert, but there is a 68 coupe for sale right up the road from me. I have not stopped to talk to them yet. No advertisements anywhere either. It "looks" decent from the road but that doesn't really mean anything. If I remember correctly it does not have the 400 hood so it's probably either a sprint or a 350. If anyone is interested in it I can try to find out the particulars on it.... Mike At 04:32 PM 3/6/2001 +0000, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey everyone, remember the 67 convetible I was looking at and asked you >guys to take a look at and tell me what you think? Well the guy was = asking >$3200 and he was firm on the price. After looking at everyone's comments >and thinking about how much I could afford, I've decided to keep looking. = >I think that I can happen upon a better deal sometime. Anyway, I just >wanted to thank everyone for their responses and input. >Matt Schmid
(back) Subject: One more thing please From: "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:55:58 -0700 Actually three quick ones: 1.) I am looking for the little bulbs that clip into the printed circuit board (they are like little black ones the illuminate the speedo etc) I haven't been able to locate these. It's driving me nuts. All I need is one. Anyone wanna sell? 2.) I eventually want to completely detail and repaint my engine compartment (I just might do the whole dang car) I have no idea about the different colors that are original. (I am a freak about originality and neatness) Can anyone tell me where I can find exactly which part should be = which black or which color? 3.) Now this I feel stupid asking. I bought a Dwell Meter/Tach and a timing light and set off to tune up my car. Well I can't seem to do it right. So I am humbly asking for a readers digest version of "How to set timing for Dummies" Can anyone be so kind as to guide me? (ie step one: take vacuam line off etc...) Your help is greatly appreciated! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Fuel Lines From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:25:23 -0600 VOC's volatile organic compounds. >>> kadonny@hotmail.com 03/06/01 10:14AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Ahhhhhhh. The environment is better for all the fumes that were saved = from going up into the air. I have just one more question, what happens to all = that gasoline that gets blown out the dual tailpipes of our firebreathing v-8s....that can't be to good for the environment, oh well. Keith 68 H.O. (lots of stuff blowing out the tailpipes.....and loving it!) Emissions. Fuel vapors are harmful to the environment. That's why modern gas station pumps have a vapor capture system built into them. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Production Numbers From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:27:59 -0600 Bill, I would guess no more than 25 percent had a 400 with 4 speed. >>> blmck@hotmail.com 03/06/01 10:25AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Hey guys, I'm not sure if original message made it out, but I'm looking specifically for production numbers of 1969 400 4 speed drop tops. I know 11,000 or so convertibles were made, but how many had the 400 engine with the manual tranny? Dad bought the car new and I'm trying to give him some history on what a great purchase it was. Thanks, -Bill
(back) Subject: Re: One more thing please From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:36:28 -0500 Robert - You can get those instrument panel light bulbs at Classic Industries. $1.99 each, Part #194 for 67-68, #168 for 69-74 @$1.80 each. www.classicindustries.com I will leave the tune-up procedure = to someone with more experience... Good luck! Mike >Actually three quick ones: >1.) I am looking for the little bulbs that clip into the printed circuit = >board (they are like little black ones the illuminate the speedo etc) I >haven't been able to locate these. It's driving me nuts. All I need is >one. Anyone wanna sell?
(back) Subject: Re: Pontiac Historic Services (was 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:18:42 -0500 They now offer this via fax and a few extra bucks. More info at: Pontiac Historic Services <http://phs-online.com> . I always recommend this for anyone worried about originality or paying too much. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> > PHS offered an express service,
(back) Subject: Re: Pontiac Historic Services (more opinions) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:18:44 -0500 Really not much more they can offer especially with the amount of information available on the web. They are the best way I know to ease your mind about originality. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> ps - Playing catch up with the email since I have not read the list mail in a few days. Should have combined messages. >I was expecting something more >professional.
(back) Subject: Re: 400 Trunk Emblem From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:18:47 -0500 Original thanks needs to go to John ( <Framair@aol.com> with the Generation-1 Firebird Registry <http://members.aol.com/Framair/Gen1.html> ) for the template. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/docs/400lidemblem_location.jpg
(back) Subject: Re: Fuel Lines From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:42:14 -0800 (PST) Keith writes: >Ahhhhhhh. The environment is better for all the fumes that were saved = from >going up into the air. Yes it is. Gasoline is comprised of a host of rather nasty chemicals. Being careful about what we spill or dump into the environment we live in isn't a bad concept. >I have just one more question, what happens to all >that gasoline that gets blown out the dual tailpipes of our firebreathing = >v-8s....that can't be to good for the environment, oh well. No they aren't. Owning a car is a compromise of having the benefit of transportation and the side effects they can create. Back in the 1950s and early 1960s, London and Los Angeles has such terrible smog problems, related mostly to auto emissions, but not exclusively, that people were dying in some of the very bad episodes. >Keith >68 H.O. (lots of stuff blowing out the tailpipes.....and loving it!) Oddly, the better tuned a car is, the cleaner it tends to run. Blowing unburned fuel out the tail pipe is indicative of a poor running engine. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: One more thing please From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:43:53 -0600 Autozone and Advance auto sells them too. >>> fishgod@iglou.com 03/06/01 02:36PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Robert - You can get those instrument panel light bulbs at Classic Industries. $1.99 each, Part #194 for 67-68, #168 for 69-74 @$1.80 each. www.classicindustries.com I will leave the tune-up procedure to someone with more experience... Good luck! Mike >Actually three quick ones: >1.) I am looking for the little bulbs that clip into the printed circuit >board (they are like little black ones the illuminate the speedo etc) I >haven't been able to locate these. It's driving me nuts. All I need is >one. Anyone wanna sell?