First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List 7K3 Heads For Sale by <Framair@aol.com> Re: Car in a barn by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Re: Car in a barn by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Re: heads 101 by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Undercarrage color by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Car in a barn by <hugoba@apcom.com> group purchase Phoenix injector brake tool by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Undercarrage color by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Re: Car in a barn by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Car in a barn by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Re: Magazines by "Geoff Swavley" <geoffs@radx.net> Re: Car in a barn by <Studderin@aol.com> TNX Tom, Dan and Roger by "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] by <Kalchemy@aol.com> ATTN: Masson Craig by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] by "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Cheviac or Ponchette? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: 7K3 Heads For Sale From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:02:18 EST A friend of mine in Ohio (Toledo area) has a set of 7K3 heads he would like to get rid of. If you're interested, e-mail me off list for details and I'll put you in touch with him. Quite certain the price would be reasonable. Thanks, John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:35:35 -0500 Sounds like a great find! Congrats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Just thought I would share a good "car in a barn" story with everyone. > Since my '69 convertible is still in pieces, I am always checking the > classifieds and hoping to find another nice first gen firebird to drive > while completing my restoration project. Last Thursday I found an ad > for a '67 Firebird convertible with 455, 400 THD trans, new interior, > new top, $2500. Needless to say, I called quickly and often until I > reached the seller. After he described the car and confirmed that the > price was not a misprint I went to see the car immediately. He has had > the car 20 years, it has been stored and he finally decided to sell it. > He said that he only put a few miles on it since he had the 455 > installed. It was originally a 326 car and has the flat hood, column > shifter, bucket seats, no console, manual drum brakes, power steering > and manual top. He sold it to me for 2K$ and I had it towed home > yesterday. I am planning to go completely through the brake system > (cheap insurance), and should have it on the road soon. Still has the > factory orangeish-red color, white top and black standard interior. The > carpet, seat covers and top were new several years ago and appear to > just need some cleaning. I think the paint will look fine with a good > compounding and waxing. The tires are totally dry rotted, but I have a > full set that are not needed on the '69 right now. My wife and son are > also very excited about this new addition to the fleet! Does anybody > have a first gen (automatic) floor shift and console for sale? I would > like to switch from the column shifter to a console at some point. I am > delighted to find this car and expect to be driving it soon. > David Learner > '67 & '69 Convertibles
(back) Subject: RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:27:24 -0330 Close...close...but the math is a bit off in your conversion... I am running a 2bbl 350 and am getting roughly 15mpg(US gallon, ues there = is a different gallon out there too) running 3.23 gear on a stick. this is roughly 24km/gallon =3D 6.4km/liter, which gives to about 15-16liters per 100km. Rodger 68 350 Newfoundland Canada(but an american made bird) First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... If this message from Rob doesn't you drop down and kiss the ground here in the USA, you're not a muscle car fan. What Rob will have to go thru just for the privilege of driving a car that we take for granted! To Rob - to answer your questions: 1. Figure 10 - 14 mpg. By my VERY rough math, that translates to 6-9 km = to the gallon. Divide that by four to get km/liter. [Hey, I COULD be right, = I live near Canada...] 2. Check out Peter Sisler's guide to Pontiacs, you may be able to get the code numbers for that very rare LPG option, and search for the parts on eBay. 3. WINKERS??? Welcome to the group and good luck! Dan bird@javanet.com
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 10:50:13 -0500 David YOUR killing me want to make you money back quick?????? lol Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: heads 101 From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:52:28 -0500 Tom, there are 2 different versions of 6 x head. One for 400s and one for 455. They likewise have 2 different chamber sizes. My answer to Johns question was one to clear up any confusion on port flow. There is significant CR differences especially if you have a set of 455 6 x heads on a 400. = However i think john was asking if the difference in port flow would warrant a change.I still say the 6 x is about the best street engine head for todays = gas.True CR really wakes an engine up but at the cost of octane boosters = or av gas blends. Who wants to cruise only 100 miles from home because they cant get gas to run on. just my 2 cents Gary The 6X-4 and 6X-8 were run on 350 and 400 engines, not 455,s. 6X = heads came in chamber cc's from 92cc (350 6X-4) to the dog 110cc (+or- 5 cc)6X-8 = 400. The 6X-4 are run on 455's as is (without milling to reduce chamber = cc. To use on a 400, they have to be milled to raise CR above 8.5. They are = run now because they are plentiful. You speak of port flow..wouldn't any head flow the same on a 400 or 455? The flow of any head is a constant. Port flow (intake and exhaust) is = nearly identical to a #16 head. I agree with you Gary that the 6X-4 92 cc (350) head is a great, inexpensive street head that, with some milling and = port work, would do anyone well. If you want to run the 16's and are around 9.75 to 10 to 1 CR and can't find a place to blend, run the 94 but dont whomp on throttle (precursor to detonation). I am running a 10.9 CR 428 and need only to run = 14 gallons 94 and 4 gallons turbo blue (110) I could get away with 15/3 = but I like the smell. This CR subject is taboo..If anyone does thier homework, = running a higher CR engine is no problem. I think this subject is better left to the experienced enging builders, and not the novice..hate for someone to loose a piston this early in season! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Undercarrage color From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:23:55 EST I need some advice on the "factory color" of the undercarrage of '68 Firebirds. As I look at the underside of most restored late 60's GM cars = I find that they are painted black. My '68 still has the original factory paint, though with 33 years of Illinois roads and wear, and the color is a = red, very much like the solor red (code R) of the rest of the car. I've = had the car since 1969 so I know it's the original color. One restoration = group says my car probably has a red primer that Pontiac used at the time and another restoration person believes GM did some different things back then = and probably sprayed the entire body top and bottom with the same solar = red while they were in production. I expect the red primer explanation is = more likely. Does anyone know for sure? What colors are the undercarrages of your Gen 1's? If there is a red color almost the same as the solar red, = does anyone know where I can purchase it (sprayer or arrosol application)? Jim '68 400 HO Convert
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:02:19 -0800 (PST) Great find David! Show us some before and after pictures. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Mar 4 06:16:58 2001 > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:59:31 -0800 (PST) > From: David Learner <davidlearner@yahoo.com> > Subject: Car in a barn > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Just thought I would share a good "car in a barn" story with everyone. > Since my '69 convertible is still in pieces, I am always checking the > classifieds and hoping to find another nice first gen firebird to drive > while completing my restoration project. Last Thursday I found an ad > for a '67 Firebird convertible with 455, 400 THD trans, new interior, > new top, $2500. Needless to say, I called quickly and often until I > reached the seller. After he described the car and confirmed that the > price was not a misprint I went to see the car immediately. He has had > the car 20 years, it has been stored and he finally decided to sell it. > He said that he only put a few miles on it since he had the 455 > installed. It was originally a 326 car and has the flat hood, column > shifter, bucket seats, no console, manual drum brakes, power steering > and manual top. He sold it to me for 2K$ and I had it towed home > yesterday. I am planning to go completely through the brake system > (cheap insurance), and should have it on the road soon. Still has the > factory orangeish-red color, white top and black standard interior. The > carpet, seat covers and top were new several years ago and appear to > just need some cleaning. I think the paint will look fine with a good > compounding and waxing. The tires are totally dry rotted, but I have a > full set that are not needed on the '69 right now. My wife and son are > also very excited about this new addition to the fleet! Does anybody > have a first gen (automatic) floor shift and console for sale? I would > like to switch from the column shifter to a console at some point. I am > delighted to find this car and expect to be driving it soon. > David Learner > '67 & '69 Convertibles > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >
(back) Subject: group purchase Phoenix injector brake tool From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:33:59 -0500 If any one is interested in the Phoenix injector I mentioned earlier, contact me via email. I m trying to put a group purchase of them togeather. This is the answer to all hydraulic system bleeding,flushing dilemmas. It is also recommended for ABS systems, if any of your newer cars have that. http://www.phxsyss.com/ Thanks Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Undercarrage color From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 05:01:11 -0500 When I got my car back in 85 it still had the original paint. the = undercarriage showed a lot of surface rust, but where there was no rust, it was painted = the same meridian turquoise as the rest of the car. This mostly showed on = the rear frame rails and surrounding area. Steve Jimc2002@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I need some advice on the "factory color" of the undercarrage of '68 > Firebirds. As I look at the underside of most restored late 60's GM = cars I > find that they are painted black. My '68 still has the original factory > paint, though with 33 years of Illinois roads and wear, and the color is = a > red, very much like the solor red (code R) of the rest of the car. I've = had > the car since 1969 so I know it's the original color. One restoration = group > says my car probably has a red primer that Pontiac used at the time and > another restoration person believes GM did some different things back = then > and probably sprayed the entire body top and bottom with the same solar = red > while they were in production. I expect the red primer explanation is = more > likely. Does anyone know for sure? What colors are the undercarrages = of > your Gen 1's? If there is a red color almost the same as the solar red, = does > anyone know where I can purchase it (sprayer or arrosol application)? > > Jim > '68 400 HO Convert > >
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:18:01 -0800 (PST) Congrats on your find David!! Brian 69 conv. --- hugoba@apcom.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Great find David! > > Show us some before and after pictures. > > Hugo > > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Mar 4 > 06:16:58 2001 > > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:59:31 -0800 (PST) > > From: David Learner <davidlearner@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Car in a barn > > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > .......................................................................... > > Just thought I would share a good "car in a barn" > story with everyone. > > Since my '69 convertible is still in pieces, I am > always checking the > > classifieds and hoping to find another nice first > gen firebird to drive > > while completing my restoration project. Last > Thursday I found an ad > > for a '67 Firebird convertible with 455, 400 THD > trans, new interior, > > new top, $2500. Needless to say, I called quickly > and often until I > > reached the seller. After he described the car and > confirmed that the > > price was not a misprint I went to see the car > immediately. He has had > > the car 20 years, it has been stored and he > finally decided to sell it. > > He said that he only put a few miles on it since > he had the 455 > > installed. It was originally a 326 car and has the > flat hood, column > > shifter, bucket seats, no console, manual drum > brakes, power steering > > and manual top. He sold it to me for 2K$ and I had > it towed home > > yesterday. I am planning to go completely through > the brake system > > (cheap insurance), and should have it on the road > soon. Still has the > > factory orangeish-red color, white top and black > standard interior. The > > carpet, seat covers and top were new several years > ago and appear to > > just need some cleaning. I think the paint will > look fine with a good > > compounding and waxing. The tires are totally dry > rotted, but I have a > > full set that are not needed on the '69 right now. > My wife and son are > > also very excited about this new addition to the > fleet! Does anybody > > have a first gen (automatic) floor shift and > console for sale? I would > > like to switch from the column shifter to a > console at some point. I am > > delighted to find this car and expect to be > driving it soon. > > David Learner > > '67 & '69 Convertibles > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:36:38 -0800 (PST) Hugo - I'll take some pictures to share before I start cleaning it up. Thanks Daniel, but I think this is one to keep! (For some strange reason my 13 year old son likes us having two Firebirds. I wonder what that could be about?) I think some regional get togethers would be a great idea. If any are close enough to western NC I would love to show up and bring the 'bird. The other one can't get off the rotisserie until it's "well done". David Learner '67 & '69 convertibles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Geoff Swavley" <geoffs@radx.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:07:17 +1100 > Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to. > Tks, > ~Dean Larson > '69 Sport Coupe > Pontiac Enthusiast POCI Smoke Signals Pantera Owners Club of America newsletter geoffs :-)
(back) Subject: Re: Car in a barn From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:38:22 EST David, How about doubling your money????................ I'm happy and mad............. but not too bitter. But seriously congratulations!!!! jJohn Costello
(back) Subject: TNX Tom, Dan and Roger From: "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:37:23 +0100 WINKERS, I meant the "turn signals" lights, there has to be a Euromark in the glass of all lights. (brake, tail, head and turn signal lights). Exhaust noise will be measured to (db) if it's to loud I must replace it, = so that means filling it up with "brillo pads"(a bunch of metal wires wich I use to polish) I don't get it, it's like music to hear a V8, loud pipes save lives. Rob
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] From: <Kalchemy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:12:28 EST In a message dated 03/02/2001 8:47:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, pjd805@yahoo.com writes: << http://www.southernmotors.com/69ta.htm >> Regarding the reverse image of the engine, they shot a picture probably = using slide film and printed it backwards as everything is backwards in the picture. Or they just printed the negative backwards. Kent Luttrell 68 400 rag top
(back) Subject: ATTN: Masson Craig From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:55:59 -0800 Great looking car. One source for the neutral safety switch is D&R Classic www.drclassic.com . Their part # is E00126 & the price is 39.95. I have no connection to them but have bought from them before & they seem ok. Hope this helps.
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:20:45 +1100 Kent, Not sure 'bout that Kent. The brake booster looks to be on the correct side. (Well, except if it's Aussie car). Gerry Green > -----Original Message----- > From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Kalchemy@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:12 PM > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] > > << http://www.southernmotors.com/69ta.htm >> > > > Regarding the reverse image of the engine, they shot a picture > probably using > slide film and printed it backwards as everything is backwards in the > picture. Or they just printed the negative backwards. > > > Kent Luttrell > 68 400 rag top >
(back) Subject: Cheviac or Ponchette? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:23:48 -0800 Yesterday, a friend and I went and bought a wrecked '86 Corvette the = guy we got it from had taken the hood and fenders for his car, and said it didn't run,but he had started it on carb cleaner, and it sounded good. = We gave him the thousand bucks he was asking, and he dropped it off at the = shop my friend works at around 11;00 am. We found a batery, checked the oil = and water, and plugged in the MAF sensor from the car I ws driving. A few cranks for oiling,then a puff of carb cleaner, and VROOOM! We bunjie'd = down the battery and did a few laps around the parking lot. Fast and smooth, probably a better car than mine. we had a good laugh at the two previous owners not having figured out how to start it, and got to work. My friend needed some interior and top parts for his 'vette, so he = busted into the dash and interior while I got busy in the engine bay. By 7;30, dead tired and soaking wet from the rain, we were done. Engine(350TPI) and trans(700R4) with complete(and uncut) wiring harness. the cleanlieness of the motor(inside anyway) and paint marks on the trans indicate they were not original(it ran very well...I'm guessing 40-50K on the motor). sosension assemblys and interior were removed, and there was not much left. We learned you can cut safety glas with a Sawzall! Fiberglass cuts even faster. Anyway, I ended up with the motor and = tranny, radiator, and A/C. I have an A/C firewall for a '68, so I think that is = the way for me to go. A bit of cleaning, maybe some fresh gaskets, and remove some duff from = the wiring harness, and I'll be due for some major decision making. Do I: a) set the motor as far back as I can without the HEI hitting anything? b) position the tranny to work with my driveshaft, and go from there? c) just put it where the mounts are easy? d) sratch my head and stand there like an idiot? I intend to have functional Ram Air, but probably through the grille. A mass airflow sensor wll have to be found, hopefuly for under $200, I = know Autozone has some real cheap ones. The computer may mount above the glovebox. I'm bummed I have to go to Arziona for a few days around next weekend instead of working on this, but Its grandma's birthday, and I wouldn't = miss it. Wish I could take my Bird tho. Well, thats the state of my project, and I am pretty excited. Rowan *68 lurking _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com