First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Engine "TICK" by "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Re : Stir up a new question by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re: PA Birds-Duane by "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Re: hugo's race car by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re.fuel cons. bird 400 by "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Re: Back Seat by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: hugo's race car by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Back Seat by <Studderin@aol.com> heads 101 by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Car in a barn by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Owner Show Pages Updated (3-4-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:48:25 -0500 >From: "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> >Hi all > >This is my first post on this group, a week ago I got the chance to buy = a >Firebird 400 '67. Now I am the proud owner but have to wait for another 3 >weeks to get it. I live in the Netherlands and the car came from the = U.S.A. >recently. That means some changes have to be made on headlights, tail >lights >and winkers, plus it has to go to a series of test before it gets his = Dutch >license plates on it. I can't wait to drive it home, I dreamed of owning >one >since I was a little kid, now I'm almost forty but finally I have him. = One >of the greatest cars ever build (for me personaly). > >I have a question: what can I expect about miles to a gallon or even = better >kilometers to a liter? I have no idea about it and can"t find it on the >net. >Hope someone can help me out on this one, I would like to know it because >I'm installing L.P.G. in it. Gas is very expensive in Holland. > >Grtz from The Netherlands > >Rob Rob, It would be hard to determine a solid figure without knowing if engine has = been modified, condition of engine/carb, transmission type and rear gear. = A stock 400 out of the factory, auto trans, 3.55 gear got an average of 14 mpg. I found this info from a Hot Rod article on the internet that was published in 1967. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:58:27 -0000 lifter noise, poor oil pressure, worn valve train Rod >Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" >coming from my engne is? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: Re : Stir up a new question From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:48:05 +1100 Right now its my hood tach sittting in its cardboard box in the back room. = But one day I think it will be looking through the windscreen at it sitting on a pristine 400 hood, lit up at twighlight, catching in my peripheral vision an awesome shaped rear quarter and tapered decklid in both the external & internal rear mirrors.....and that's only "sight", I can just imagine what touch & sound have to offer!.........cheers, Dale = '68 Conv.
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds-Duane From: "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:55:32 -0500 P.S. Duane, I'm about 9 miles away from Hazleton, and about 10 miles = from White haven. Also, gotta ask, you don't by any chance have a white car do you? At a drive-in burger/root beer place by Hazleton called Stuart's = last years, I met a guy driving a white coupe , 69 I think. Might have been a 68. It was stock except for changing the carb/manifold and exhaust. just wondering. At 05:58 PM 3/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Add me to the PA list. >Duane Benedict, Hallstead > >We're in the north country, too. > >How far is Wilkes-Barre or Hazleton for you guys? > >-- Duane > >---------------------------------------------------------- > Ephesians 2:8,9 > http://home.epix.net/~teachers > >See the baby at http://home.epix.net/~teachers/baby.html >---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Keith Donmoyer wrote: >> >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> = ......................................................................... >> Ok, sounds like a plan...however small it might be. Here is the PA >> contingency so far for Eastern/Central PA >> >> Jason Rogers from York >> Duane Aldrich from Lancaster >> Justin from Lancaster >> Keith Donmoyer from Pottstown >> >> I know Bull is from the Pocono area, could be to far for him. Maybe Reading or up 222 a little farther (torwards Lancaster) would be a good area in springtime. >> >> Keith >> 68 H.O. >> Rich Durham Weatherly, Pa. '68 Firebird Stock 350
(back) Subject: Re: hugo's race car From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:39:23 -0800 (PST) The problem that I have right now is that the wheels stick out past = theedge of the fenders. I bought some nice Centerline's with some nice BFG's on them = but unfortunately the setback on the rears is not correct since I have at = least a good 1.5"'es left on the inside before there is any interference. If the = rims were about 1" further in I would be ok. I'll see if I can do with the air shocks for now and try to find another = set of rear rims with deeper setback. The car hasn't been to the track yet so I don't know what it will do. I'll keep you guys posted. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Mar 3 01:30:53 2001 > From: Studderin@aol.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:23:12 EST > Subject: hugo's race car > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:13:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hugoba@apcom.com writes: > > << 'm trying to raise the hind end of the car so that it will clear some = mondo > tires (it's only going to run at the drag strip). I have installed some = load > leveling leaves that helped a bit but I still get some rubbage. > I can also try some (yuck) longer shackles and the last thing will be = to get > some re-curved springs from Eaton. > > Suggestions? > > Hugo > >> > > Hugo > I don't know your exact situation, but I know If you remount your = shocks > inside your leafsping it gives you about an additional 2 1/2 of wheel > clearance. It's not always bigger tires, a good setup car can do huge > destructive wheelstands on a 9-10 inch. slicks. Also I believe that NHRA = and > IHRA have a rule about tires can't be outside to fenders. > A guy I work with HAD (1975-1999) a 68' nova, he had 15x10 weld = draglites > with 5 1/2 inch's of backspacing. He had slapper bars, the J-bolt kind = and he > moved the shocks inside himself. The leafspings were stock. The Jan. 99 = issue > of HOTROD has an article on this kit, and most of susption/chassic = companies > sell a kit for this. > But you can very easily do it yourself. Weld a piece of steel (1080 = cold > roll steel it's cheap and close, of not what the rear frame rails are = made > of) at least 2inch. square or round .188 to 1/4(.250) wall thickness. > In between the rear frame rails behind or infront the rearend. I've = seen > it both ways, It's hooks alittle harder if it's behind the rearend. Most = > traction bars have the lower shock mount welded to them, you move the = left > traction bar to right and vice virsa the get the lower mounting point > inboard. And mount the top of the shocks to the new crossbar, in the = brackets > you add to it. You have to get shocks that have both ends like the = lowers, > not the stud type upper factory ones. You also have to tilt the shocks > inwards towards top because of the lack of room (the way the mopar's = are). > This is kinda hard to expain but onece you see a picture it's not so = bad. > I would like to know more about your strip car and it's setup. I am > planing to get some edlebrock heads for a 455 I have, and I'm looking at = a > Dana 60 rear. I got a set of the new SSM weld in subframe connections = and am > not happy with them. And I havn't heard anthing good about round port = headers > for a firstgen. though. > > Hope this helps, > John Costello >
(back) Subject: Re.fuel cons. bird 400 From: "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:52:35 +0100 : It would be hard to determine a solid figure without knowing if engine = has : been modified, condition of engine/carb, transmission type and rear = gear. A : stock 400 out of the factory, auto trans, 3.55 gear got an average of 14 : mpg. I found this info from a Hot Rod article on the internet that was : published in 1967. : : Tom Thanks Tom, the guy who will build the L.P.G. tank into my car thought if mileage was between 10-14 miles/gallon, my tank has to be 85 litres. So 85 litres it wil be, my costs per mile will be lower as driving my = beetle who still runs at regular gas which is very expensive. Grtz Rob
(back) Subject: Re: Back Seat From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:57:27 -0800 (PST) You may have to put the one side in if the other side is pulling up a lot. Usually all you do is get in the back, face the back seat and squat down = and push with your knees and hands while pushing against the back of the front = seats. The bottom should go back about 1" or so and clear the hooks on the = floor and allow you to lift up. Maybe one side is rusted together. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Mar 3 15:30:33 2001 > Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:25:05 EST > From: Pzary3233@aol.com > Subject: Back Seat > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hi- > I was trying to pull out the back seat lastnight and i couldn't get it = out I pushed back like I heard a while ago and got one side out but..... = the other side remained in the "clips" or what ever they are. I can not = seem to get the other side out. do I need to put the side thati got out = back in an start over? is there a really easy way to do this that I'm just = no thinking of? Or is it just really stuborn? Ihave worked at it for about = 4 hours with no success! thanks for any help that you can give me! > Paul Z. > 68 350 Coupe (front end apart and soon back sweat out!) >
(back) Subject: Re: hugo's race car From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:17:53 EST In a message dated 3/4/2001 1:37:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hugoba@apcom.com writes: << he problem that I have right now is that the wheels stick out past = theedge of the fenders. >> Hugo, NHRA and IHRA may no let you run your car there like this. Costello the wheels stick out past theedge of the fenders.
(back) Subject: Re: Back Seat From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:42:38 EST Paul, That really sucked, I hurt my back for over a week after trying to = remove my rear seat!!! the push back/pull up way. I pulled out all the carpet and front seats, and used a big old flat head = screwdriver I ground a notch in the middle of the blade for poping out springs. Got the shop light and Mr.BFH, sat on the floorboards looked = under the seat, Put the screw driver right in between the two hook of the floor = brackets with the notch of the screwdriver on the seat rail frame. I hit it in/back while pushing up with my foot, wedged under the seat. both sides poped out and I didn't find a builds sheet in the seat only = 5lbs. of dust It was almost as much fun as kick panal removal John Costello
(back) Subject: heads 101 From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 02:04:09 -0500 Tom says>> Subject: Re: Head flow 101 From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:15:12 -0500 True, the 6X-4 has advantages for a daily driver. I switched from a = 6x head to a #48 on my 400 and noticed greater throttle response, a temp increase of 10 degrees, and a car that went from Hyde to Jeckyll. The = lowest CC 6X was in the low 90's which equates to 8.4 to 1 on a .030 400. With 72 cc heads, 10.2 to 1. This equates to an increase which is managable on 93 = or 94 octane, proper timing and carb jetting. The 6X-4 are more popular with the 455 and stroked engine community for thier chamber size, and flows up = to 250 cfm (possibly higher) with porting. Tom, there are 2 different versions of 6 x head. One for 400s and one for = 455. They likewise have 2 different chamber sizes. My answer to Johns question was one to clear up any confusion on port flow. There is significant CR = differences especially if you have a set of 455 6 x heads on a 400. However i think john was asking if the difference in port flow would warrant a change.I still say the 6 x is = about the best street engine head for todays gas.True CR really wakes an engine up but at the cost of octane boosters or av gas blends. Who wants to cruise only 100 miles from home because they cant get gas to run on. just my 2 cents Gary
(back) Subject: RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:55:59 -0500 If this message from Rob doesn't you drop down and kiss the ground here in = the USA, you're not a muscle car fan. What Rob will have to go thru just = for the privilege of driving a car that we take for granted! To Rob - to answer your questions: 1. Figure 10 - 14 mpg. By my VERY rough math, that translates to 6-9 km = to the gallon. Divide that by four to get km/liter. [Hey, I COULD be = right, I live near Canada...] 2. Check out Peter Sisler's guide to Pontiacs, you may be able to get the = code numbers for that very rare LPG option, and search for the parts on = eBay. 3. WINKERS??? Welcome to the group and good luck! Dan bird@javanet.com Subject: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Rob" Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:00:53 +0100 Hi all This is my first post on this group, a week ago I got the chance = to buy a Firebird 400 '67. Now I am the proud owner but have to wait for = another 3 weeks to get it. I live in the Netherlands and the car came from = the U.S.A. recently. That means some changes have to be made on headlights, tail = lights and winkers, plus it has to go to a series of test before it gets his = Dutch license plates on it. I can't wait to drive it home, I dreamed of owning = one since I was a little kid, now I'm almost forty but finally I have him. = One of the greatest cars ever build (for me personaly). I have a question: what can I expect about miles to a gallon or even = better kilometers to a liter? I have no idea about it and can"t find it on the = net. Hope someone can help me out on this one, I would like to know it because I'm installing L.P.G. in it. Gas is very expensive in Holland. Grtz from The Netherlands Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:56:03 -0500 If this message from Rob doesn't you drop down and kiss the ground here in = the USA, you're not a muscle car fan. What Rob will have to go thru just = for the privilege of driving a car that we take for granted! To Rob - to answer your questions: 1. Figure 10 - 14 mpg. By my VERY rough math, that translates to 6-9 km = to the gallon. Divide that by four to get km/liter. [Hey, I COULD be = right, I live near Canada...] 2. Check out Peter Sisler's guide to Pontiacs, you may be able to get the = code numbers for that very rare LPG option, and search for the parts on = eBay. 3. WINKERS??? Welcome to the group and good luck! Dan bird@javanet.com Subject: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Rob" Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:00:53 +0100 Hi all This is my first post on this group, a week ago I got the chance = to buy a Firebird 400 '67. Now I am the proud owner but have to wait for = another 3 weeks to get it. I live in the Netherlands and the car came from = the U.S.A. recently. That means some changes have to be made on headlights, tail = lights and winkers, plus it has to go to a series of test before it gets his = Dutch license plates on it. I can't wait to drive it home, I dreamed of owning = one since I was a little kid, now I'm almost forty but finally I have him. = One of the greatest cars ever build (for me personaly). I have a question: what can I expect about miles to a gallon or even = better kilometers to a liter? I have no idea about it and can"t find it on the = net. Hope someone can help me out on this one, I would like to know it because I'm installing L.P.G. in it. Gas is very expensive in Holland. Grtz from The Netherlands Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: RE: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:55:58 -0500 If this message from Rob doesn't you drop down and kiss the ground here in = the USA, you're not a muscle car fan. What Rob will have to go thru just = for the privilege of driving a car that we take for granted! To Rob - to answer your questions: 1. Figure 10 - 14 mpg. By my VERY rough math, that translates to 6-9 km = to the gallon. Divide that by four to get km/liter. [Hey, I COULD be = right, I live near Canada...] 2. Check out Peter Sisler's guide to Pontiacs, you may be able to get the = code numbers for that very rare LPG option, and search for the parts on = eBay. 3. WINKERS??? Welcome to the group and good luck! Dan bird@javanet.com Subject: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Rob" Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:00:53 +0100 Hi all This is my first post on this group, a week ago I got the chance = to buy a Firebird 400 '67. Now I am the proud owner but have to wait for = another 3 weeks to get it. I live in the Netherlands and the car came from = the U.S.A. recently. That means some changes have to be made on headlights, tail = lights and winkers, plus it has to go to a series of test before it gets his = Dutch license plates on it. I can't wait to drive it home, I dreamed of owning = one since I was a little kid, now I'm almost forty but finally I have him. = One of the greatest cars ever build (for me personaly). I have a question: what can I expect about miles to a gallon or even = better kilometers to a liter? I have no idea about it and can"t find it on the = net. Hope someone can help me out on this one, I would like to know it because I'm installing L.P.G. in it. Gas is very expensive in Holland. Grtz from The Netherlands Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Car in a barn From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:59:31 -0800 (PST) Just thought I would share a good "car in a barn" story with everyone. Since my '69 convertible is still in pieces, I am always checking the classifieds and hoping to find another nice first gen firebird to drive while completing my restoration project. Last Thursday I found an ad for a '67 Firebird convertible with 455, 400 THD trans, new interior, new top, $2500. Needless to say, I called quickly and often until I reached the seller. After he described the car and confirmed that the price was not a misprint I went to see the car immediately. He has had the car 20 years, it has been stored and he finally decided to sell it. He said that he only put a few miles on it since he had the 455 installed. It was originally a 326 car and has the flat hood, column shifter, bucket seats, no console, manual drum brakes, power steering and manual top. He sold it to me for 2K$ and I had it towed home yesterday. I am planning to go completely through the brake system (cheap insurance), and should have it on the road soon. Still has the factory orangeish-red color, white top and black standard interior. The carpet, seat covers and top were new several years ago and appear to just need some cleaning. I think the paint will look fine with a good compounding and waxing. The tires are totally dry rotted, but I have a full set that are not needed on the '69 right now. My wife and son are also very excited about this new addition to the fleet! Does anybody have a first gen (automatic) floor shift and console for sale? I would like to switch from the column shifter to a console at some point. I am delighted to find this car and expect to be driving it soon. David Learner '67 & '69 Convertibles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-4-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 08:21:51 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (3-4-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Masson Craig 1967 Mercedes Red Firebird 326 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D133) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)