First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Automatic transmission with OD by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Head flow 101 by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Tim dosen't like Q-jets by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> john head compression by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> RE: Head flow # comparison (Attn. Niklas) by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] by <shutup@pacbell.net> August 19th by "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> Re: Muncie shifter by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Re: Group Gathering by <geebjen@att.net> Re: Group get togethers... by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] by "Pete D" <pjd805@yahoo.com> England? by <Pzary3233@aol.com> Back Seat by <Pzary3233@aol.com> Fuel consumption Firebird 400 by "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> re:magazines by "Eric Heinrich" <ericheinrich@hotmail.com> Re: PA Birds by "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Engine "TICK" by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Engine "TICK" by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Head flow 101 by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Engine "TICK" by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Re: Head flow 101 by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Engine "TICK" by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> RE: Engine "TICK" by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: Engine "TICK" by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> RE: Is it spring yet ? by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net>
(back) Subject: Re: Automatic transmission with OD From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 07:52:02 -0500 Hey Jeff, If you do a search in the archives, you should find a TON of information = on this subject. I, personally, have installed a 700r4 into a 68 Camaro. It required that the transmission cross member be moved two inches toward the rear of the car and that the drive shaft be shortened approximately two inches as well. You'll also have to buy a kit to operate the transmission without a computer (approx. $100). If you want to do something similar to your Pontiac powered machine, you either have to use a transmission adapter for a 700r4 (Chevy bolt pattern, only) or use a weaker 200-4r that uses a B-O-P (universal to everything except Chevy) bolt pattern. The 200-4r can be built to handle all but the most radical motor. If you use a TH400 cross member, this is a "bolt-in" transmission. You may still have to have your driveshaft shortened and = will still require a kit to operate the transmission without the computer. Do a search for more detailed information. Good Luck, Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> To: <firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Automatic transmission with OD > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hi, folks. > > I've been wondering...could a 4 speed automatic transmission with overdrive > be installed in my '68 350? Anyone had the pleasure of doing it = already? > > Your input would be appreciated. > > > Thanks! > Jeff Davis > > > >
(back) Subject: Head flow 101 From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:10:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Head flow # comparison (Attn. Niklas) From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:20:30 -0500 So - and I know little about this. I read this email almost 10 times. = You guys... I have 6x heads on my '77-400 (that is running and in my FB). But = I have 16 heads on my '68-400 (that is sitting in the corner). Should I put the #16 heads on my motor? I dont really understand all this, are there simple terms I can understand?? John. John, I dont think you will see enough of an improvement to warrant changing them out. 6X is still a good head and already has the hardened seats. Some times a smaller ex valve is a good thing too. Now for a crash course in head technology for you. Your engine is an air pump; the more air it can pump(flow) the more power it has the capability to produce. The flow figures are at certain valve lifts for both intake and exhaust.The flow is measured in CFM or Cubic Feet per Minute. 10 CFM means it would flow 10 cubic feet of air in a minute. A street driven motor will not benefit from with a head that flows large amounts at very high lifts(over .400). What I look at is the flow at around the .300 to .400. this is where the valve spends most of its = time when flowing.It is true that it will benefit from large flows at over = .400, but a street motor will not "use" that lift area enough to worry about. Its all fine and dandy to have a killer set of heads and cam but for the = most part it kills the bottom end torque and low speed driveability. There are some head porting experts that are getting well over 200 CFM from D port heads. If you are really concerned Have a spare set done to this; change cam, intake,carb(s) and exhaust to take advantage of the increased = flow. As you can see a few CFMs from your 6X to 16s arent worth the change. Hope this clears a few things up. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Tim dosen't like Q-jets From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:52:07 -0500 pete a Q-jet IS a VERY good carb when it it working correctly and you have to love that moannnnn it makes when the back barrels upon up Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: john head compression From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 09:03:04 -0500 John short and sweet of it is this 6xs work wonderful if you want to drive your car and run cheap gas without no spark knock and not near the overheating problems the 16s will give you more power but have to run the best gas you can get and will probley make the motor run warmer HOTTER if you are sitting still so its up to you drive a lot? RUN the 6xs [their on mine running 13.17 in the quarter] or it you just drive it a little and want to play go with the 16s Daniel Ray ps call me sometime 912 423 6078
(back) Subject: RE: Head flow # comparison (Attn. Niklas) From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:13:13 -0500 John, stick with what you have. THe 16 heads will boost your compression to = over 10:1 and you will not be able to run well on pump gas without retarding = the timing. The small amount of power you gain by increasing the compression is not worth the trouble you will have trying to get it to run right. I would like to get together on sunday but not sure if I will have time. will give you a call, Tim
(back) Subject: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] From: <shutup@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 07:36:55 -0800 In a message dated 3/3/2001 12:47:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pjd805@yahoo.com writes: What I found interesting is the picture of the motor. Did anyone notice that the a/c compressor and the alternator are on opposite sides from the usual configuration[??]. Is this the typical arrangement for a RA T/A?? Was the accessory bolt-up that much different from say a Good Question! I'm also surprised to see the door panels( blue customs) have speakers cut into them.
(back) Subject: August 19th From: "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 07:43:29 -0800 Hey Brian, I am located in northern California - how about some more particulars on August 19th - Thanks, Teresa
(back) Subject: Re: Muncie shifter From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:43:44 -0500 Hey Bob, I am about to do the same to my 68. Was your shifter after market? Do = you remember what the part numbers were for the shifter, and handle? What modifications did you make to the console? I have been told that the after market shifter is really made for the = Camaro, but is also sold for the Firebird, although it doesn't quite fit right. I already have the shifter. It is Part # 391-4340, with handle #7436 Does this compare to yours? Steve Bob Cisneros wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Gary Patrick writes in response to Todd's question: > >Todd, unless you are doing a 100point resto I wouldnt use the Muncie > >shifter. > >At best it was a very poor shifter and is guaranteed to hang up between > >2nd&3rd. > >The mounting to the crossmember was a poor plan and the shifter has too > >much slop in it,even when new. > > I agree with Gary. The Muncie shifter is a sad affair. Attaching > the shifter to the crossmember was a bad choice. As the engine > torques over, the shift rod adjustment changes, resulting in > missed shifts. I've used one, and hated it. > > In my case, I put a Hurst Competition Plus shifter in my 68, > and am very satisified with it. I had to reposition my > console to avoid interfering with stick. But as Gary suggests, > adjusting the shifter handle may be a better choice. > > I don't know how common the factory Hurst shifters are, so > I can't say how much difficulty you'll run into locating one > in good shape. > > -Bob San Jose, CA > 1968 Convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Group Gathering From: <geebjen@att.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:57:04 -0500 A good place to get a bunch of us together might be at the Ames Tri-Power Nationals at Norwalk, OH on Aug 11-12. It's pretty centrally located and is an excellent car show, tons of drag racing, and a very large swap meet. For info go to: http://www.pontiacnationals.com We are planning on being there with at least my wife's '69 Bird Convertible and probably my '69 Grand Prix 455 too! Steve Lothridge
(back) Subject: Re: Group get togethers... From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:12:41 -0500 Jeff - The T/A nationals in Dayton, Oh is *almost* there... it's about 500 miles from Atlanta, but that depends on where you are in Atlanta too. I suspect = there will be quite a few of us at that event this year. Mike At 04:07 PM 3/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I'd like to meet with a group from the list. If anyone in the southeast >knows of any event within a 400 mile radius of Atlanta, GA, please speak = up! > >Thanks, >Jeff Davis
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] From: "Pete D" <pjd805@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:12:26 -0800 (PST) John, Yep, that looks like a 2nd gen. steering column and wheel... PjD Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. [Details] From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:12:21 EST In a message dated 3/3/2001 12:47:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pjd805@yahoo.com writes: << http://www.southernmotors.com/69ta.htm >> What I found interesting is the picture of the motor. Did anyone notice that the a/c compressor and the alternator are on opposite sides from the usual configuration[??]. Is this the typical arrangement for a RA T/A?? Was the accessory bolt-up that much different from say a PETE That's weid????? Did you also notice the tilt steerting column.???? Is that a opion? JohnCostello __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: England? From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:15:29 EST Hey you guys- Over my spring break I'm going to be over in Great Britian for about 2 = weeks and I noticed some of you live over in europe and I was wondering = how many if any lived in England or Wales? It wouldbe Neat to see our = american made Firebirds over iun the UK thanks alot! Paul Z. 68 350 coupe (inprogress with front suspention all over the garage!)
(back) Subject: Back Seat From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:25:05 EST Hi- I was trying to pull out the back seat lastnight and i couldn't get it out = I pushed back like I heard a while ago and got one side out but..... the = other side remained in the "clips" or what ever they are. I can not seem = to get the other side out. do I need to put the side thati got out back in = an start over? is there a really easy way to do this that I'm just no = thinking of? Or is it just really stuborn? Ihave worked at it for about 4 = hours with no success! thanks for any help that you can give me! Paul Z. 68 350 Coupe (front end apart and soon back sweat out!)
(back) Subject: Fuel consumption Firebird 400 From: "Rob" <goof@soneramail.nl> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:00:53 +0100 Hi all This is my first post on this group, a week ago I got the chance to buy a Firebird 400 '67. Now I am the proud owner but have to wait for another 3 weeks to get it. I live in the Netherlands and the car came from the = U.S.A. recently. That means some changes have to be made on headlights, tail = lights and winkers, plus it has to go to a series of test before it gets his = Dutch license plates on it. I can't wait to drive it home, I dreamed of owning = one since I was a little kid, now I'm almost forty but finally I have him. One of the greatest cars ever build (for me personaly). I have a question: what can I expect about miles to a gallon or even = better kilometers to a liter? I have no idea about it and can"t find it on the = net. Hope someone can help me out on this one, I would like to know it because I'm installing L.P.G. in it. Gas is very expensive in Holland. Grtz from The Netherlands Rob
(back) Subject: re:magazines From: "Eric Heinrich" <ericheinrich@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:23:19 I get a few. High Performance Pontiac Bimmer Roundel Formula 1 Racing Road and Track Once in a while I'll pick up a copy of LeMans and Sports Car Racing (That BMW V12 LMR has to be one of the sexiest cars ever made!) Eric Heinrich 67 400 coupe in Boston _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: PA Birds From: "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:10:05 -0500 Yep, Up by Hazleton. But then, what's a car for if not to travel. Far is = a relative concept. At 02:38 PM 3/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Ok, sounds like a plan...however small it might be. Here is the PA >contingency so far for Eastern/Central PA > > Jason Rogers from York > Duane Aldrich from Lancaster > Justin from Lancaster > Keith Donmoyer from Pottstown > >I know Bull is from the Pocono area, could be to far for him. Maybe = Reading >or up 222 a little farther (torwards Lancaster) would be a good area in >springtime. > >Keith >68 H.O. > >Subject: Pennsylvania Birds... >From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:13:07 -0500 > >Keith and Justin, > >I live in York, Pa currently. If you guys ever want to get together let = me >know. My home email is jprogers@cyberia.com. Any other Pa bird owners = out >there? > >Jason > Rich Durham Weatherly, Pa. '68 Firebird Stock 350
(back) Subject: Engine "TICK" From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:01:53 -0500 Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it = right when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it = back up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks John.
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:04:52 -0500 Sounds like a lifter. If you take a funnel and point the small end at the = valve covers you can probably pinpoint the location. They usually free up = after warming to normal operating temp. Mike At 06:01 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK = TICK >TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it = right >when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & >right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it = back >up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks >John.
(back) Subject: Re: Head flow 101 From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:15:12 -0500 True, the 6X-4 has advantages for a daily driver. I switched from a = 6x head to a #48 on my 400 and noticed greater throttle response, a temp increase of 10 degrees, and a car that went from Hyde to Jeckyll. The = lowest CC 6X was in the low 90's which equates to 8.4 to 1 on a .030 400. With 72 = cc heads, 10.2 to 1. This equates to an increase which is managable on 93 = or 94 octane, proper timing and carb jetting. The 6X-4 are more popular with the 455 and stroked engine community for thier chamber size, and flows up = to 250 cfm (possibly higher) with porting. For someone who is bored and tired with the way thier bird runs now, and want to step up thier knowledge and test thier abilities, and have the = time to continually make engine adjustments, I say swap for a good set of = 72 CC d ports. The CR increase is not negligable, 1.8 points is quite a bit. = My 67 ran 14.1's with the 6X, and now runs high 12's with the 48's. Sure cam chioce, intake and carb will be a factor, but in my case, the CR increase equated to newly found power (and fun) and well worth my overall = investment of $640 (heads/machining/gaskets) As they say, all parts must be in compliment with the other. Pontiac stock cams were around .470 (no higher) lift for two reasons, stock head flow and stroke/bore ratio which equated to Pontiacs notorious torque. = These numbers can be manipulated by increasing the flow of head and raising cam lift in proper ratios. Too much cam, not enough flow, you got a dog. Sure, = practice undermines knowledge and theory, and I had 3 hours to kill and a set of heads waiting for another engine so I bolted them on. I have never regretted it since. Tom (2 cents poorer) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:27:01 -0500 Sounds lifter to me (best Guess) RonMan
(back) Subject: Re: Head flow 101 From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:27:09 -0500 In my opinion, the 16's are better. Intake flow's are the same for both heads, but the exhaust ratios favor the 16's. You would not need to change = your intake or carb. (opinion) Your cam duration and lift will be a = factor. If your running an OEM 67, 68 or 744 grind and have at least a 2 1/2 inch exhaust (or close) the swap would be Awesome! 1968-69 No. 16 (1968-69 400 & 428 large-valve D-port)Date cast: = A228 Grade: 2 (1 cfm seat leakage)Valve sizes: 2.11 /1.77Intake port volume (2 ports): = 154 & 154.7 cc's.Intake(D) Flow (cfm) Exhaust(S) Flow (cfm) Exh./Int. ..100 71 74 .100 46 .63 ..200 126 122 .200 84 .68 ..300 153 155 .300 106 .69 ..400 158 158 .400 124 .78 ..500 162 167 .500 132 .80 ..600 165 167 .600 140 .84 1975-79 No. 6X (1975-76 400/455 & 1977-79 400 D-port)Date cast: = 0185 Grade: 2 (worn guides)Valve sizes: 2.11/1.66Intake volume (1 port): 154.0 cc'sIntake(S) Flow (cfm) Exhaust(S) Flow (cfm) Exh./Int. ..100 67 .100 51 .76 ..200 112 .200 83 .74 ..300 140 .300 96 .67 ..400 158 .400 104 .66 ..500 163 .500 110 .67 ..600 167 .600 113 .68 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 07:31:03 -0500 Lifter, lifter, lifter. lifter, lifter, lifter, lifter, lifter, lifter John Wern wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK = TICK > TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it = right > when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & > right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it = back > up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks > John. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
(back) Subject: RE: Engine "TICK" From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:32:40 -0500 Chances are that you have a bad lifter. This usually happens when the = engine oil is thick from sitting around.. Once the oil thins out a little the oil flows and the lifter warms up. You may want to check the valve = adjustments. Mace 69 350 Drop Top Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it = right when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it = back up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks John.
(back) Subject: Re: Engine "TICK" From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:38:57 -0500 >From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> >Any engine guys out there know what a "TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK = TICK >TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK" coming from my engne is? I usually hear it = right >when I start my engine up until it gets warm or after a minute or two & >right after I do a few 0-60 times if I cut the engine off then start it >back >up - you hear it right when you start up. Anybody got an idea? Thanks >John. John, Sounds like a bad lifter (not pumping up/bleeding or loose rocker. What is = your oil pressure at idle/3,000 rpm? I usually replace all 16 (cause I am too lazy to go through and find the bad one) First identify which bank = noise is coming from, remove valve cover, check rocker arms for play, rotate engine 90 degrees, repeat process. The loose rocker typically is bad = lifter. Lifters are $60 for a good set, and a good investment if one has gone bad. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: Is it spring yet ? From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:45:27 -0500 We rock and roll all year long here in atl. Just changed the primary jets in my holley 750 from 72 to 76, it rocks = even more. Plugs look like a little lean If you guys don't mind look at the = following link and tell me what you think about my plugs. I am thinking I am still lean Tim http://members.prestige.net/marcts/plug.jpg