First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Thanks Muncie shifter by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Re: Firebird Store by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Enough cooling power ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Fuel injection on pontiacs by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Sprint Hood by "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Re: Tim dosen't like Q-jets by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Air shocks? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by <Framair@aol.com> Pennsylvania Birds... by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Re: Air shocks? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com>
(back) Subject: Thanks Muncie shifter From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 16:07:42 -0600 Well thanks for the information, I ran across this shifter shortly before the auction ended and it seemed like a good idea at the time, Next time I know to hold off = and ask for advice ahead of time, Todd Todd says>>> Subject: Shifter ? From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 17:34:20 -0600 I was hoping some one could advise me on this, I just bought A Muncie shifter from Ebay, I have a Muncie 4 speed That will be replacing the original 3 speed manual, The three speed shifter was mounted to the crossmember as will the Muncie shifter, I also will be putting a console in the car, Is the Muncie shifter good or bad? Worse than "BAD". Todd, unless you are doing a 100point resto I wouldnt use the Muncie shifter. At best it was a very poor shifter and is guaranteed to hang up between 2nd&3rd. The mounting to the crossmember was a poor plan and the shifter has too much slop in it,even when new. One test drive on a 68 that had the factory Hurst and you will be convinced. Does the term boat anchor mean anything? No wait it to light for that. I would sell it to some unsuspecting purist and get a 68-9 one for same body style. Now the other problem. If you are going to use the factory 67 console, the factory Hurst shifter will hit the slider plate. With alittle adjusting ,moving the shifter handle backwards while in nuetral position, it will work. Good luck Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird Store From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:38:16 -0500 Keith, Looks like they were down. I just checked and they seem back to normal. I sent you the link to continue the same order. Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >problem, I was ordering one and the paypal payment link is not working so = I >could not complete the transaction. Is there a problem with them, should = I >try it later? Thanks
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:27:04 -0800 With what the placard said, I see how one would think this was original. I think it is a shame that someone may buy this and think they got the deal = of a life time. When in fact they got an over priced 69 Firebird. I hate when people advertise and leave the most important items out. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Tom Grzywacz Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:36 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... When I went and looked at this car..at Autorama...there was NO "clone" mentioned on the car, or on the well detailed information placard standing next to car on an easel describing the options, and all the resto work performed. So with the fact that Southern Motors" placed a "1 in 7 left" marqui on the windshield, my speculation to the rarity and originality of this 69 T/A promoted a letter to the list. I think it was Bob (Cisneros) = who cleared this misrepresentation. >does the word "clone" not mean it is not one of the originals? that is = what >I thought. Still good looking though. > >Bryan > >
(back) Subject: Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:47:06 -0800 (PST) Frank Zeller writes in response to the question from RonMan: >Thats to much money for those valve covers. There is a guy on Ebay that = sells >repro chrome ones for around 40 dollars. >>There is an auction on bay for a set of OEM valve covers, I really need = them >>but don't know if they are right. Frank is right. $20 plus shipping is too much. Plain steel V8 valve covers are pretty much the same from 1967 thru 1981. A grommet on one side, and the oil filler cap on the other. The 1967 non-California cars with the "pancake" air cleaner use a rubber plug instead of the grommet for the breather tube. Go to a boneyard and pay $5 a pair tops. They are likely to be in much better shape than the one in this auction too. As for the repro chrome covers, the ones I've seen on ebay have an odd ridge in the center, and are not the dome shape as the factory units are, but are more square on top. They may not have the oil drippers or baffles either. The best stock appearing repros such as those offered by AMES and Performance Years sell for about $100 a pair. It all depends on the look you want. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:02:01 -0800 (PST) Chuck Hazelton writes: >That's a fine looking bird, Daniel. IMHO option 3 is best. Since you are = not >going back to the absolute original configuration (steel wheels w/PMD >hubcaps) the redlines on Rally IIs will look fabulous. But you'll give up = a >major amount of road handling. Interestingly enough, Coker Tire offers a Red Line radial in a number of sizes, for 14 and 15 inch rims. These are BFG Silvertown Radials. If you look closely enough, you can tell that they are radial tires. But they'll perform better than bias-ply tires. This may be a sufficient compromise. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Enough cooling power ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:27:26 -0800 Anybody have one of the Ames 4 core radiators ? How well do they work ? Did it fit well ? Price seem's to be very good. Wanted to know if the radiator works as well as the price. Thanks. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:43:14 -0500 Yeah I have chrome....They are tinny pieces of S**T...I will give them to anyone who wants them just pay shipping....After I get A regular set. Thanks Ron
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:11:03 -0800 (PST) Bryan writes: >With what the placard said, I see how one would think this was original. = I >think it is a shame that someone may buy this and think they got the deal = of >a life time. When in fact they got an over priced 69 Firebird. I hate = when >people advertise and leave the most important items out. This is one of the biggest problems in the world of collector cars and muscle cars. Is what is being offered for sale really what it appears to be? It would be wise of anyone in the market for any truly rare or collectable car to research and verify the car before laying down any cash. Luckily, Pontiacs are easier to verify than many other marks due to the availability of the PHS documentation. Still, there are plenty of stories about cloned GTOs and other Pontiacs, discovered only after the sale. Some of the mistakes can be avoided by trying to learn as much as one can about the type of car in question. And, learning how fakes or clones are created in order to be able to spot one. In some cases, it would also be wise to order the PHS docs directly rather than relying upon whatever the seller presents. Glenn (birdman), what would be the correct paint code found on the cowl tag for a '69 Trans Am? -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Fuel injection on pontiacs From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:18:58 -0500 Someone on the list put fuel injection on thier pontiac a little while back Please e-mail me thanks Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:31:58 EST Tim, We all know about opinions. But the Rochester Quadrajets are one of = the best carbs produced. In fact Ford even used them on their Cobra Jet cars. Nothing against Edelbrock but they are nothing more than a chrome Carter. When GM came out with the Quadrajet the Carter Went away. And those q-jets = came in 850cfm on the big boats. So the next time you want to send one of those Qjets to the junkyard maybe you had ought to just find someone qualified to rebuild it. Just my opinion. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:38:04 -0500 My car is set up with the original wire wheel hubcaps, and bias ply F70-14 front, and G70-14 rear. It is number 59 on the online car show. I really = like the look of the bias ply tire, and people don't expect real performance = out of a car with hubcaps WRONG. Besides, that is how my car came from the = dealer. Steve > Okay, gang, I am soliciting opinions. Redlines or raised white letter = tires > for my 1967? > > The car is mariner turquoise, turquoise custom interior, black = convertible > top. Right now, the car has 14x6 ralley II wheels on it with nice trim > rings and Eagle GTII raised white letter radials. To see how it looks, > you're welcome to go to www.photopoint.com and put in my email address, > bird@javanet.com, and look in the 67 firebird folder. I like the way = they > look a lot. > > The car came originally from the factory with steel wheels, redlines, = and > PMD hubcaps. I still have the steel wheels, and I have a set of orginal > '67 wire disc wheels with PMD centers. And, I have the option of = acquiring > a set of correct Firestone bias ply E70-14 redline tires. I'venever > actually seen what that combination looks like on the car, and it's in > storage for probably another month anyway. So what should I do? > > Obviously the radials will ride much better, but take that out of the > picture. Let's talk aesthetics only. Which combination(s) would be = best, > and why? I'm trying to minimize the amount of wheel/tire swapping since > I'll have to pay to have it done... Thanks for the input! > > 1. RWL with Rally IIs (ie. "as is") > 2. RWL with wire PMD discs > 3 Redlines with Rally II's > 4. Redlines with wire PMD discs (closest to original) >
(back) Subject: Sprint Hood From: "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:38:37 -0800 Thanks to all who offered up non-400 hoods. Steve purchased one from Hugo today. He was the closest, and had one in very good condition to sell. Andy
(back) Subject: Re: Tim dosen't like Q-jets From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:38:20 EST I take flak for liking Qjets from my Chevy buddies, but who would think it = would surface here? And BTW Performer intakes also come in spreadbore. = Pete
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:02:44 EST The car is being advertised as a 69 TA convertible, with no mention that = it is a clone. Naturally, I called, and the salesman immediately said it is a = clone. I joked with him that I figured there would be another 0 in the = price if it were not. This was last week. I called them the same day the add appeared, only to realize I had come across the car about a month ago on their web site. Dave - 69 400 Conv. (w/o stripes) >Bryan wrote: When I went and looked at this car..at Autorama...there was NO "clone" mentioned on the car, or on the well detailed information placard standing = next to car on an easel describing the options, and all the resto work performed. So with the fact that Southern Motors" placed a "1 in 7 left" marqui on the windshield, my speculation to the rarity and originality of this 69 T/A promoted a letter to the list. I think it was Bob (Cisneros) = who cleared this misrepresentation. >does the word "clone" not mean it is not one of the originals? that is = what >I thought. Still good looking though. > >Bryan
(back) Subject: Air shocks? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:08:06 -0800 (PST) Anyone know of a brand/part number of a set of air shocks that fit the 69 coupe? If so, who carries them? I've tried prep boys (they show some Gabriels but are special order = although I went to the Gabriel site and nothing came up there for the 69 bird) and = krapen. I'm trying to raise the hind end of the car so that it will clear some = mondo tires (it's only going to run at the drag strip). I have installed some = load leveling leaves that helped a bit but I still get some rubbage. I can also try some (yuck) longer shackles and the last thing will be to = get some re-curved springs from Eaton. Suggestions? Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:32:14 EST Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM (Bob Cisneros) wrote: >In some cases, it would also be wise to order the PHS docs >directly rather than relying upon whatever the seller >presents. ....Bob, you bring up a valid point here. Because there is a problem with seller's trying to pass off a car as something it isn't, = documentation is very important. However, it too can be altered to represent something that isn't genuine. For this very reason, the PMD Billing History copies being sold by PHS should contain some sort of 'tamper-proof' feature. Once upon a time, the copy sent out used to be on a sepia (brownish) tone gloss paper. This was somewhat better than a simple xerox copy. Better still would be a watermark, stamp or unique embossed mark. All of these features can be done without hardly any significant cost (ask any print shop). Even the Sports Card Market has addressed this matter by printing cards on special card stock complete with hologram marks, etc. One would think that for $35, they would get something more than a photocopy of a microfiche card. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Pennsylvania Birds... From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:13:07 -0500 Keith and Justin, I live in York, Pa currently. If you guys ever want to get together let = me know. My home email is jprogers@cyberia.com. Any other Pa bird owners = out there? Jason
(back) Subject: Re: Air shocks? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:44:47 -0600 Those large tires will not help traction much if you have to jack the back = end up. Your better off running a slightly less wide tire and have the = back end lower than the front. Weight transfer is the key. You also lose = stability when you jack up the rear end. Frank >>> hugoba@apcom.com 03/01/01 11:08PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Anyone know of a brand/part number of a set of air shocks that fit the 69 coupe? If so, who carries them? I've tried prep boys (they show some Gabriels but are special order = although I went to the Gabriel site and nothing came up there for the 69 bird) and = krapen. I'm trying to raise the hind end of the car so that it will clear some = mondo tires (it's only going to run at the drag strip). I have installed some = load leveling leaves that helped a bit but I still get some rubbage. I can also try some (yuck) longer shackles and the last thing will be to = get some re-curved springs from Eaton. Suggestions? Hugo