First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Redlines vs. RWL by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Intro and link by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: '69 Available in 3 weeks (was 1967&1968 Firebird Diecast) by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Firebird Store by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Blower by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: The best head by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Go vote for my First Generation Firebird by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Intro and link by <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> Re: Floorpan replacement - new question by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> How to Subscribe by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Redlines or Raised whites? by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: Floorpan replacement - new question by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions by <Metthem@aol.com> Re: Muncie shifter by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Muncie shifter by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> 1967-1969 birds found. by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> RE: Go vote for my First Generation Firebird by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Redlines vs. RWL From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:02:01 -0500 Hey Bird, My opinion is that it is a no brainer. If you have ever seen the redlines = on the Rally IIs, your question would be answered....it looks soooooooo good! How about looking at Coker tire and buying a set of radial redlines = to mount on the Rally IIs? They look exactly the same as the bias tires without the ride problems. If you plan on having the car showed, it is a point deduction to have the radials though. Just my opinion, this is what = I am going to do. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? From: "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:58:10 -0500 Okay, gang, I am soliciting opinions. Redlines or raised white letter = tires for my 1967? The car is mariner turquoise, turquoise custom interior, black convertible top. Right now, the car has 14x6 ralley II wheels on it with nice trim rings and Eagle GTII raised white letter radials. To see how it looks, you're welcome to go to www.photopoint.com and put in my email address, bird@javanet.com, and look in the 67 firebird folder. I like the way they look a lot. The car came originally from the factory with steel wheels, redlines, and PMD hubcaps. I still have the steel wheels, and I have a set of orginal '67 wire disc wheels with PMD centers. And, I have the option of = acquiring a set of correct Firestone bias ply E70-14 redline tires. I'venever actually seen what that combination looks like on the car, and it's in storage for probably another month anyway. So what should I do? Obviously the radials will ride much better, but take that out of the picture. Let's talk aesthetics only. Which combination(s) would be best, and why? I'm trying to minimize the amount of wheel/tire swapping since I'll have to pay to have it done... Thanks for the input! 1. RWL with Rally IIs (ie. "as is") 2. RWL with wire PMD discs 3 Redlines with Rally II's 4. Redlines with wire PMD discs (closest to original) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Intro and link From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:09:00 -0500 Justin, Duane A. from the list is also from Lancaster, and I am closer to Reading than Phila, so we are even closer. I would enjoy a get together this = Spring locally, how about it Duane? As for the OC MD thing, I did not know there = was a show there. 3500 cars in OC must make for a very crowded little = town. That is a good 3 hour trip for me, probably out of the question because = the best thing would be to stay overnight, and with 3 rugrats(kids), this is = no easy chore. Let me know about the local thing though, I also remember someone on the list from Collegeville PA, I will look on the list that = John has. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: RE: Intro and link to parts From: "jttrettel" <jttrettel@onemain.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:53:51 -0500 Keith, I live in Lancaster PA, not all that far from Phila. Once I get my car out of storage we should try to get some of the local guys together. To everyone else on the east coast, is anyone planning on going to the Car Show/Cruise in Ocean City, MD on May 16-19? It's always lots of fun and there are tons of cars, 3500+ last year. This could be a good place for everyone to gather for a get together. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: '69 Available in 3 weeks (was 1967&1968 Firebird Diecast) From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:24:25 -0800 (PST) I wonder how many of us emailed jim yesterday asking about the first gen bird models.. :) Here's what he wrote back.... - - - - - - - - - - - - Absolutely...1/18 and in very high quality...(price may be around $99, = but they will be limited edition and super detail. (Similar to Exoto/ or a = mint car). Lane is stepping up their detail on these as well as the early 70's Cutlasses they are developing. I am very excited about these cars. Jim Adkins www.egaad.com Did you also notice the '69 TA and 400 coming from YatMing in the nest few weeks? From Yat they could be very nice for $20, or a piece of crap...LOL, will know very soon. www.egaad.com/preorder.html Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> To: <egaad@egaad.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: 1967&1968 Firebird Diecast > Please tell me the new first gen birds coming in 2002 will be 1/18th scale!!! > :) ...................................................................... > FYI since I have not ordered anything from them before. I am ordering the '69 TA and 400 - Geoff > <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> > > Begin forward message: > ---------------- > Thanks buddy... The '99 is due at the same time. > Here is a deal....'69 TA and '69 400 shipped together for $42.00...or = all 3 (add the '99) for $55.00! Pass it on! (Tell 'em to tell me "Geoff sent me!") > > Jim Adkins > www.egaad.com > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Firebird Store From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:25:04 -0500 Geoff, I just got a chance to look at the new hats this morning...very cool. = Small problem, I was ordering one and the paypal payment link is not working so = I could not complete the transaction. Is there a problem with them, should = I try it later? Thanks Keith 68 H.O. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Blower From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:32:39 -0600 The latest trend is to adapt a Paxton blower designed for a Mustang. Got = to the Classical Pontiac web site. >>> FB1967428@aol.com 02/28/01 08:08PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Any one have all or part of a blower set up for a Pontiac. I want to take = my 67 bird flying. Thanks
(back) Subject: Re: The best head From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:33:56 -0600 The number #62 are my personal favorite 72 cc D port. >>> Birdm58293@aol.com 02/28/01 09:28PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... All this talk about heads, are # 62 heads good?
(back) Subject: Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:38:43 -0600 Thats to much money for those valve covers. There is a guy on Ebay that = sells repro chrome ones for around 40 dollars. >>> Ronsoy@bellsouth.net 02/28/01 11:17PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... There is an auction on bay for a set of OEM valve covers, I really need = them but don't know if they are right. If they are for a 68 350 please let me know my motor is so butchered I'm = not sure what goes where.....My motor has the PCV valve in the valley pan and = it looks like there is a grommet there for one. Please help I need 'em. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5652109= 54& r=3D0&t=3D0 RonMan
(back) Subject: Re: Go vote for my First Generation Firebird From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:46:02 EST In a message dated 2/28/01 10:27:56 PM Central Standard Time, eddie@thepettitfamily.org writes: << eddie@thepettitfamily.org (Eddie Pettit) >> Eddie, Your car got my vote - as did gen1. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: Hey guys I have Question(again) From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:01:38 EST Ronman My 68 400 has the PCV in the front of the pan. The grommet in the valve cover is the opposite end of the closed crankcase system. An "L" shaped = pipe plugs into the valve cover then into the air cleaner. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:18:46 -0500 #1 -----Original Message----- From: bird <bird@javanet.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Okay, gang, I am soliciting opinions. Redlines or raised white letter = tires >for my 1967? > >The car is mariner turquoise, turquoise custom interior, black = convertible >top. Right now, the car has 14x6 ralley II wheels on it with nice trim >rings and Eagle GTII raised white letter radials. To see how it looks, >you're welcome to go to www.photopoint.com and put in my email address, >bird@javanet.com, and look in the 67 firebird folder. I like the way = they >look a lot. > >The car came originally from the factory with steel wheels, redlines, and >PMD hubcaps. I still have the steel wheels, and I have a set of orginal >'67 wire disc wheels with PMD centers. And, I have the option of = acquiring >a set of correct Firestone bias ply E70-14 redline tires. I'venever >actually seen what that combination looks like on the car, and it's in >storage for probably another month anyway. So what should I do? > >Obviously the radials will ride much better, but take that out of the >picture. Let's talk aesthetics only. Which combination(s) would be best, >and why? I'm trying to minimize the amount of wheel/tire swapping since >I'll have to pay to have it done... Thanks for the input! > >1. RWL with Rally IIs (ie. "as is") >2. RWL with wire PMD discs >3 Redlines with Rally II's >4. Redlines with wire PMD discs (closest to original)
(back) Subject: Re: Intro and link From: <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:31:33 -0500 Getting together sounds like a great idea. When does Pontiac do it's thing = at Maple Grove in Reading? OC is aliitle far, especially if I'm going to try = to get the 'Bird running for the trip. At 6mpg I can't afford to go too far = with it. Reading is only about an hour from me. Duane Aldrich '69 coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Floorpan replacement - new question From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:57:25 -0800 Joe, Do you have contact info or a web site for CARS? >For anyone about to start a floor pan project, I saw an entirely new >set = of floor pans that was just released, I think from CARS. It >went from = under the rear seats all the way up the firewall and also >went all the = way up the tunnel. The floor pans were in two halves >so you could = virtually replace the entire floor panel including the >tunnel. I wish = these were available when I did mine. Much easier >and a better final = product. Joe Geigel ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: How to Subscribe From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:20:42 -0600 Subject: How to Subscribe From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> list, Who publishes High Performance Pontiac? Does anyone have the webpage or phone number to subscribe? Thanks in advance, Larry, It's published by McMullen Argus and you can find the site at: www.highperformancepontiac.com I subscribe to that as well as Car Craft, Hot Rod, and now and then a few others... As I have "Other" types of cars I restore too like VW's and... well... other GM cars, is all I'm gonna say! Brett in Seattle, 67 Drop Top 455!
(back) Subject: Redlines or Raised whites? From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:11:47 -0600 I have to agree with Hugo, Although I would get the Red Lines and put them on the Original wheels with the disc covers and keep store them for the high end shows etc. And then put Raised Whites on the Rally II's to use for the rest of the time! I have a 61 Bug with a slide back rag top that I do that with. I have one set for fun and driving and another set just for shows! It may seem like a hassle especially if you have limited = storage and like you said you have to have them changed on and off, but you can change the whole look of the car in just 30 minutes! My .02! Brett in Seattle - 67 drop top 455! __________________________________________________________________________ The car came originally from the factory with steel wheels, redlines, and PMD hubcaps. I still have the steel wheels, and I have a set of orginal '67 wire disc wheels with PMD centers. And, I have the option of = acquiring a set of correct Firestone bias ply E70-14 redline tires. I'venever actually seen what that combination looks like on the car, and it's in storage for probably another month anyway. So what should I do? Obviously the radials will ride much better, but take that out of the picture. Let's talk aesthetics only. Which combination(s) would be best, and why? I'm trying to minimize the amount of wheel/tire swapping since I'll have to pay to have it done... Thanks for the input! 1. RWL with Rally IIs (ie. "as is") 2. RWL with wire PMD discs 3 Redlines with Rally II's 4. Redlines with wire PMD discs (closest to original)
(back) Subject: Re: Floorpan replacement - new question From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:55:52 -0500 Gerry, Good memory! Yes they were the "turned up" verity. On the two car I've = done, one I had to rebuild the inner rocker (a convertible) the other I just sliced the old pan off and hammered the remaining portion flat. The convertible was REAL bad. The only thing keeping the seat off the asphalt was the extra floor brace the convertibles have. If your trying to keep your car as original as possible, look for the "turned downed" style. If that's not important to you, the "turned up" = style would be easier to install. After having done a couple, I think I could remove the old pans and install the new ones in a two day weekend. Not bragging, just trying to say that it's not as bad as everyone thinks... if you have the place and tools. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: RE: Floorpan replacement - new question > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Roy, > > As I recall your replacement floors were of the 'turned up' > variety. > > Did you remove all of the metal from the 'turned down' part > of the old floor ?? Does it matter either way ?? > > > thanks > Gerry Green > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > > [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of ROY D LUMSDEN > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:24 AM > > To: First Generation Firebird-L > > Subject: Re: Floorpan replacement > > > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > .......................................................................... > > John, > > > > Do a search in the archives. I've discussed the replacement of > > floorpans in > > detail. For my clarification, you mentioned, "The original pans fit in > > between these braces and rocker panel. I was thinking about > > notching the new > > pans to fit around the braces and weld them up. ". Did you buy > > the pans that > > turn down and are intended to be welded along the rocker pinch weld or the > > pan that turns up along the rocker and is meant to be welded on the = top > > inside the car? Also, you mentions a floor pan brace, are you doing a > > convertible? > > > > Fill me in on some of the details and I'll try to help you along. > > > > Roy > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions From: <Metthem@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:27:12 EST Rowan writes: << Electric choke are usualy trouble free, and your Girlfriend won't forget and leave it on/off. >> You let your girlfriend drive your Bird? Are you nuts? Hehehe. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Muncie shifter From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:05:46 -0800 (PST) Gary Patrick writes in response to Todd's question: >Todd, unless you are doing a 100point resto I wouldnt use the Muncie >shifter. >At best it was a very poor shifter and is guaranteed to hang up between >2nd&3rd. >The mounting to the crossmember was a poor plan and the shifter has too >much slop in it,even when new. I agree with Gary. The Muncie shifter is a sad affair. Attaching the shifter to the crossmember was a bad choice. As the engine torques over, the shift rod adjustment changes, resulting in missed shifts. I've used one, and hated it. In my case, I put a Hurst Competition Plus shifter in my 68, and am very satisified with it. I had to reposition my console to avoid interfering with stick. But as Gary suggests, adjusting the shifter handle may be a better choice. I don't know how common the factory Hurst shifters are, so I can't say how much difficulty you'll run into locating one in good shape. -Bob San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:11:24 -0800 (PST) Bryan writes: >does the word "clone" not mean it is not one of the originals? that is = what >I thought. Still good looking though. Er... The word clone implies a copy, or not the genuine article. But yes, they did a good job of duplicating the real thing. Is it worth $25K? Not in my view. But there might be someone somewhere willing to part with their money for this car. The average passerby will not be able to tell the difference. -Bob San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Muncie shifter From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:39:50 -0600 See web link. I know they deal in rebuilt Hurst shifters http://www.precisionpontiac.com/services.htm
(back) Subject: 1967-1969 birds found. From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:03:20 -0500 Hey all I found a 1967 and a 1969 Firebird in a local Junk Yard. the 69 = is the yellow interior It has all the seatbelts + seats. I think it had good chorome too. That is about all that is left besides the doors and glass. = .. But the 67 has Black Interior with all the seats It even still has the = rear fold down seat still in it. and it has a windshield washer bottle w/bracket. Front bumper head light bezel and all that. It has good chrome = on it too except fotr the top winshield ( i got that) It looks to have all good seatbelts except for the front outside belts. One thing though My '68 comes with three sets in the rear. This '67 only has two sets in the = rear. Normal? Anyway let me know if anyone needs any of this stuff? I couldnt really stop long as I was on a lunch break but If anyone needs any of pay = me for it and I'll go back up as I'm still looking for a rearend. Tha GTO = was sold out from under me! John.
(back) Subject: RE: Go vote for my First Generation Firebird From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:13:19 -0800 Great looking car. I voted for it. What is interesting is 1gen is winning = by alot but your car is only 2% in front of #2. If all those chose 1gen as their favorite why are they not voting for the 1st gen car? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Eddie Pettit Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:17 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Go vote for my First Generation Firebird First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... It's up for car of the month at Firebirdmania. http://accesswave.ca/~bjw/vote.htm Obviously, it's the bottom one. Thanks!
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:36:00 -0500 When I went and looked at this car..at Autorama...there was NO "clone" mentioned on the car, or on the well detailed information placard standing = next to car on an easel describing the options, and all the resto work performed. So with the fact that Southern Motors" placed a "1 in 7 left" marqui on the windshield, my speculation to the rarity and originality of this 69 T/A promoted a letter to the list. I think it was Bob (Cisneros) = who cleared this misrepresentation. >does the word "clone" not mean it is not one of the originals? that is = what >I thought. Still good looking though. > >Bryan > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com