First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: 455 upgrade by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Oil Filter Tip by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Exhaust Questions by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Intake manifiold casting numbers by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: My poor Poncho! by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: Exhaust Questions by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Rear seat by "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Re: A MOMENT OF SILENCE by "saltydog" <saltyd@home.com> Re: A MOMENT OF SILENCE by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Wanted Muncie parts by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: My poor Poncho! by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: Exhaust Questions by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> RE: A MOMENT OF SILENCE by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> RE: 455 upgrade by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: 455 upgrade by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Windshield wiper position by <mwurtzel@flash.net> Re: difference between 455 and 350 by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: cam outcome? by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> RE: Exhaust Questions by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Heater problems by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net>
(back) Subject: Re: 455 upgrade From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:10:22 -0500 Anyone know a website for the gtech? Thanks. John. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Zeller <fzeller@tri-austin.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: 455 upgrade >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Tim, > >What is you cam and heads are you using? > >Frank > >>>> marcts@ga.prestige.net 02/17/01 02:52PM >>> >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Well guys, I have my 455 running now, and wanted to report the difference in >performance. > >car is 68 convert. First engine was 350 4bbl, headers, 2.5 exh. 2.56 = rear >peg leg With gtech ran 0-60 in 7.9 qrtr 15.8 @ 95 best. The new motor is = a >real monster, even with the 2.56. With gtech and 1/2 throttle to 25 mph = I >ran 0-60 in 5.6 and babying it off the line and shifting at the wrong = time >qrtr was 14.2 @ 109.5. I haven't done any tuning on this motor yet, it's >really amazing. I think it is a great combo with the 2.56. I'm sure = this >engine will get into at least the mid 13's with some tuning and driving >practice. > >I'm having a blast. Have to reccommend to everyone to dump that 350 for = a >455! > >tim > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Oil Filter Tip From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:06:48 -0500 GV=3DGrandville. I'd guess that they do as most brands are to factory replacement specs. I'm avoiding Fram after reading their review on the = oil filter site. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Frank Zeller <fzeller@tri-austin.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Oil Filter Tip First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... What is a 75 GV? Do you think Fram or AC delco filter for that 75 GV have the anti-drain back. >>> badgoat@gwi.net 02/19/01 04:44PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I noticed that my 66 GTO used a NAPA #1049 filter and my 75 GV used a = #1258. I had my dealer check the specs (thanks Willie!). Everything compares except that the 1258 has the anti-drainback valve. The listing will = always show the factory replacement even when something better comes along. I'll be using the 1258 now on all my V8's. Sorry if you see this on more then one list. I'm posting it to wherever = it might be of interest. Check out www.badgoat.net
(back) Subject: Re: Exhaust Questions From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:08:49 -0500 I believe it was a Jim Hand article. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Trimpe, Bob <TrimpeB@rajones.com> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Exhaust Questions First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... There was a thread a little while ago that referred to a great article = about muffler testing. I printed the article, but I can't recall the website. Maybe another lister can. The article told about a systematic testing at the track of different muffler and pipe configurations and pipe size. The results (as best I recall) settled on a Walker muffler, x-pipe configuration, and exhaust of = 2 1/2" diameter. Holler if you don't locate the article, and I'll look through my pile of papers! Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Bryan & Mone' Young [mailto:bryandmo@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:14 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: RE: Exhaust Questions First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... My own question is I plan to install the headers I bought and need the = rest of the exhaust from headers back. Is there place to call to order these parts already pre-bent for a 68? I don't want to have to take the car in would rather order and then install in the garage. I can get a welder if needed. Anyway if anyone knows a place let me know. I want to go to the = duel exhaust from my now single. Also what do you all think of walker mufflers? I keep hearing flowmasters but was told by a reliable sorce and trusted car buff that walker was much better. Anyone have input? Thanks. bryan
(back) Subject: Re: Intake manifiold casting numbers From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:09:53 -0500 I just looked at that at lunch time. It's one of the top ones on my links page on my page below. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: jrotman@rms.moore.com <jrotman@rms.moore.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Intake manifiold casting numbers First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Can someone point me to the site that has the cross-reference for Pontiac Heads, Intake mannifolds, and exhaust mannifolds and the translation of = the casting numbers to the year and make they went with?? I know I have seen = it somewhere but I lost the bookmark. Joe Rotman 68 Firebird 350 Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: My poor Poncho! From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:34:54 -0500 Subject: Re: My poor Poncho! From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> I have a friend (who used to race Jag D-types & FI Corvettes) who keeps trying to convince me that we should join 2 Sprints together to make a V-12 SOHC Pontiac 500 CI engine and create a modern SPFI system for it. Glenn wouldnt that be a DOHC? Gary
(back) Subject: RE: Exhaust Questions From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:52:04 -0800 (PST) Bob Trimpe writes: >There was a thread a little while ago that referred to a great article = about >muffler testing. I printed the article, but I can't recall the website. >Maybe another lister can. You're probably refering to the Jim Hand article on exhaust... <http://www.wauknet.com/douthitt/exhaust.htm> ....titled "The Strong Silent Type". Jim did extensive testing of different brands of mufflers, measuring backpressure, sound level, 1/4 mile performance. He also tested the use of different diameter tail pipes, "H" pipes versus "X" pipes, etc. He's done more testing than most of us could ever afford. Bryan Young writes: >y own question is I plan to install the headers I bought and need the = rest >of the exhaust from headers back. Is there place to call to order these >parts already pre-bent for a 68? I don't want to have to take the car in >would rather order and then install in the garage. I can get a welder if >needed. Anyway if anyone knows a place let me know. I want to go to the = duel >exhaust from my now single. Walker/Dynomax makes complete dual exhaust systems for headers as well as stock manifolds, as well as mufflers. Try calling Jegs or Summit and see if they can come up with a system for your car. So does Flowmaster, which is designed for headers. But Hugo manager to get one of their systems to work with his stock manifolded ragtop. The Walker is more likely to look stock than will the Flowmaster. And of course, their is Gardner Exhaust Systems. <http://www.gardnerexhaust.com/> They make replicas of factory systems, which I think is offered in both mild and stainless steel. This is probably the way for Erich Wagner to go for that stock look, and still be able to install it himself. Expect to pay well for this product. >Also what do you all think of walker mufflers? I keep hearing flowmasters >but was told by a reliable sorce and trusted car buff that walker was = much >better. Anyone have input? Thanks. See the above link on some very good independent testing of various brands. While each mfgr. claims the best flow/power output, it's interesting to see real world, on car testing like this. On top of all this, an important factor is sound. Some folks like their cars loud (Bob raises his hand), others like them quiet. I like the sound of Flowmasters, while I know a few die hards who think that a set of glasspacks are the living end of great sound. Judging from the testing Jim did, if it's quiet with superior performance that you are looking for, Walker/Dynomax is probably the way to go. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Rear seat From: "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:02:03 -0800 Does anyone have any good shots of the rear seat of a 67 or 68 convertible. Specifically ones showing how the rear seat comes into contact with the side panels. My car is in pieces and the interior is downstate from where I am right now. I am in the process of widening the inner fender wells 3". I need some help visualizing how the seat and side panels need to be modified. If anyone has any pictures showing this area... it would be greatly appreciated. Dereck Kowalski http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~dakowals/
(back) Subject: Re: A MOMENT OF SILENCE From: "saltydog" <saltyd@home.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:23:53 -0600 Yes I believe so and Earnhardt Jr. is using the same number as his = grandpa. > I think Earnhardt's old man raced Pontiacs in the > 60's... Is this correct?
(back) Subject: Re: A MOMENT OF SILENCE From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:30:27 -0500 Subject: Re: A MOMENT OF SILENCE From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:59:24 -0800 (PST) I think Earnhardt's old man raced Pontiacs in the 60's... Is this correct? Possibly...anybody that was somebody did. Gary No doubt about it the sport will not be the same. I quit caring about it when Adam was killed then just started getting interested and this happens. Makes me sick to know that most of these guys deaths could have been prevented thru NASCAR mandating HANS. AMEN
(back) Subject: Wanted Muncie parts From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:33:26 -0500 Anyone got any? email off list thanks Gary
(back) Subject: Re: My poor Poncho! From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:59:16 -0500 Gary Patrick wrote: > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Subject: Re: My poor Poncho! > From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> > I have a friend (who used to race Jag D-types & FI Corvettes) who keeps > trying to convince me that we should join 2 Sprints together to make a > V-12 SOHC Pontiac 500 CI engine and create a modern SPFI system for it. > > Glenn wouldnt that be a DOHC? > Gary > No, a DOHC engine means 2 camshafts for each cylinder head; it typically has a cam for the exhaust valves and a cam for the intake valves. That would mean a v-type engine with DOHC would actually have 4 camshafts. If you go back to that 1966 Hot Rod magazine article called "Big Medicine" with the 6 prototype Pontiac engines on the cover, I believe they called the V8's SOHC engines, even the 3-valve per cylinder 421 Super Duty OHC-V8. Glenn aka birdman
(back) Subject: Re: Exhaust Questions From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:07:55 -0800 I have the Walker/Dynomax system. My system was custom installed as I = didn't want to deal with it. After seeing what it takes to install it, it was = money well spent. Don't buy the mini turbo - they moan so loud that you can't = here the person next to you (in a rag top). Al
(back) Subject: RE: A MOMENT OF SILENCE From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:14:25 -0500 Just for the record, The HANS device may not have saved his life. The impact at 180 miles per hour is mind boggling. Even the paramedics don't think this would have saved him. Mandating that all speedways including drag strips, have softer impact bank walls would have probably saved him Mace I think Earnhardt's old man raced Pontiacs in the 60's... Is this correct? Possibly...anybody that was somebody did. Gary No doubt about it the sport will not be the same. I quit caring about it when Adam was killed then just started getting interested and this happens. Makes me sick to know that most of these guys deaths could have been prevented thru NASCAR mandating HANS. AMEN
(back) Subject: RE: 455 upgrade From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:16:08 -0500 Yes, Go to gtech.com Anyone know a website for the gtech? Thanks. John.
(back) Subject: Re: 455 upgrade From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:45:53 -0800 (PST) John Wern writes: >Anyone know a website for the gtech? Thanks. John. It's... <http://www.gtechpro.com/> -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Windshield wiper position From: <mwurtzel@flash.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:07:37 -0800 I had my '68 Firebird at a shop who removed my windshield wipers (don't ask why!). Anyway, I was getting ready to re-install them but cannot seem to find a detailed description of what position they should be in when at rest. I checked my manual but it only states the right wiper shoudl just touch the shoudl trim. I windshild recall it actually touching the trim, but even if so, where is the left wiper positioned? Thanks for any hlep!! Mark 1968 Firebird convertible ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
(back) Subject: Re: difference between 455 and 350 From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:37:21 -0800 John : I did that along time ago ,plus I have an adjustable vacuum , which help prevent ping or knock . I just change to a Demon 750 double pumper . = I been busy , no time to play . Needs idle adjustment and air mixture . Joe
(back) Subject: Re: cam outcome? From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:49:36 -0800 Yes I did , it is a good cam with stock converter and highway gears . It will give good low end and will rev to 5000 rpm's . Open up the exhaust = and trick out the ignition . Joe
(back) Subject: RE: Exhaust Questions From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:51:56 -0800 (PST) I bought the Flowmaster kit from Summit and I like it. My convertible does not have the X reinforcement plate underneath so I did = not have any clearance problems so if yours has it there may be an issue = there. The quality of the kit is great and it includes all the parts (bolts, = hangers, etc.). It's a bit loud and in fact it sounds louder with the top up but with the = top down it sounds great (mixed with the sound of the wind zooming by). Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Feb 20 12:08:02 2001 > From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: RE: Exhaust Questions > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:13:46 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Importance: Normal > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > My own question is I plan to install the headers I bought and need the = rest > of the exhaust from headers back. Is there place to call to order these > parts already pre-bent for a 68? I don't want to have to take the car in > would rather order and then install in the garage. I can get a welder if > needed. Anyway if anyone knows a place let me know. I want to go to the = duel > exhaust from my now single. > > Also what do you all think of walker mufflers? I keep hearing = flowmasters > but was told by a reliable sorce and trusted car buff that walker was = much > better. Anyone have input? Thanks. > > > bryan > 68 firebird conv 350 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of x1r1 x > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:43 PM > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: Re: Exhaust Questions > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Prebent clamp together systems are pretty good, and not too hard to = install. > No auto manufacturer I'm aware of welds their exhaust systms into one > peice. If using clamps, make sure the threaded parts do not project > downward, they are an extra pain after being dragged over a few = obstacles. > Doubling clamps in opposite directions is helpful in preventing leaks. = If > yo do not order a system that comes with all hangers, getting the dual > system hanging well on your ride will require serious ingenuity. I do = not > recomend the hangars that are a lag bolt wit two shock bushings. They > transmit more vibration into the car, and tend to work loose. Handy in = the > tight space by the back o the leaf spring though. That is probably the > hardest part to get right. > A tactic I have used at the muffler shop is to ask for the peices bent, > saying 'Ill weld it myself'. Ive had the price of a full system made = and > installed reduced 50%, because they realy only make money on the labor, = and > don't want to loose that. The salesperson is often paid comission, tries = to > sell high. > I'd agree with Jhon, Find a tech who likes cars, or somone you know. = You > will end up much more satisfied. > Above all do not go to Midas, They will loose a lugnut without touching > anything but the muffler! > .02 Rowan*68 (wounded) > > PS> > An Engine tech has taken his training course, and just completed His = final > exam. He is surprised to see He got 110% on the exam, and askes the > instructor about it. The instructor replies ,"You scored 33% for = corectly > diagnosing the problem, 33% for knowing the procedure for correcting the > problem, 33% for sucessfuly repairing the problem, and an extra 10% = because > I've never seen anyone who could fix an engine through th tailpipe = before." > "no problem,"says the tech with a smile,"I was a gynecologist before I = got > into this." > > > >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> > >......................................................................... > >Erich - Go dual exaust. Let a Muffelr man do it. If I were you (what = I > >did) I looked around at local shops. I happened apon talking to an = exaust > >guy at a place called Merlin's Meffler. He had a 70 Chevelle = (beautiful) I > >let him put on the exaust because he appreciated older cars. He did > >awesome > >work. He put on the car Mufflers called "magna-flow" > >http://www.promuffler.com/magnaflow.htm It's not loud but has a deep > >RUMBLE. > >It's a high performance 'straight-through' muffler. the whole thing = cost > >me > >$430.00. It wa a little $$ but he did a very good job. I had all this > >done > >last week. John. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Erich Wagner (by way of Geoff >First Generation Firebird-L = Mailing > >List > > = >......................................................................... > > >I will be putting a complete exhaust system on my bird (=ED67 326, = auto > > >Convert) this spring (my neighbors will be pleased, for some reason = they > > >don > > >=EDt like the sound of an engine just with temporary flex pipes = coming off > > >the > > >manifolds!) I intend to go with a dual exhaust, not the original = single. > > > > > >I see where Ames offers complete exhaust systems as well as some = optional > > >mufflers. > > > > > >A few questions: > > >1) Would this group recommend I buy an exhaust system such as = the > > >one > > >listed in Ames and install it myself? I=EDm not an automotive expert = but > > >with > > >some help I have been able to disassemble the whole motor and put it = back > > >again (even better, it runs and I don=EDt have too many parts left = over). > >I > > >do not have any welding equipment and I would have to install the = system > > >with the car on blocks and jack stands. Is this doable for a man of = my > > >=ECtalents=EE and equipment? > > >2) If I do go this route what would you recommend I buy? Does > > >anybody > > >recommend stainless steel? I want to keep the car as original = looking as > > >possible and I want a little sound but not a lot. > > >3) The other option is to have a local muffler place make me a = dual > > >exhaust system. What is everyone=EDs thoughts on this? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Erich > > >=ED67 326 Convertible > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Heater problems From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:31:16 -0500 Could be the bearings in theheater blower motor. Bob Trimpe Mic wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hey everyone, > I have a couple of problems with the heater on my 68 > Coupe. > > 1. The heater makes a lot of noise when the fan is > turned on. It squeals very loud and can be heard > outside of the car. It does it whether the car is > cold or hot. Sometimes it quits doing it and then > restarts. If you slam the passenger door it will > sometimes start squealing again. > > 2. The heater/ac controls don't work properly. The > fan blows with very little force and only out of the > drivers side defrost vent. > > Any ideas or suggestions? BTW some of the a/c stuff > was removed by a previous owner, so it is inoperable. > > Thanks in advance for you help! >