First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Ram air cleaner assembly by <Framair@aol.com> Re: Re : E-bay by <Framair@aol.com> Parts is parts by <Chuck_Sellers@hotmail.com> A/C Comp. Replacement by "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Re: Exhaust Questions by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Anybody know where I can get these? by "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Fuel vent, temp gauge by "Binty" <binty_one@yahoo.com> Alberta Canada by "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com> RE: Anybody know where I can get these? by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> difference between 455 and 350 by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: Window rollers by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: Console clocks, Ebay by <kmorrow@socket.net> AM/FM price going up ?! by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re: Console clocks, Ebay by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: AM/FM price going up ?! by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> 2" Drop Spindles by "Eric Toledo" <erictol@pacbell.net> Re: A/C Comp. Replacement by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Anybody know where I can get these? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> FS: 67 Firebird Convertible by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: Exhaust Questions by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: List Server: Re: Another engine problem by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Ram air cleaner assembly From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:39:28 EST From: sfjeppson@earthlink.net (Shawn Jeppson) >Does anybody know of a reason that a 68 RA air cleeaner assembly wont fit = a >67? I found one for sale, but I want to make sure it will work before I = buy >and ship it. Only reason it wouldn't fit would be due to the type of Carb. you are using. Not sure how it would fit on a Carter or Holley. It was intended to be used on Rochester. Some '67s used the Carter. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Re: Re : E-bay From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:48:12 EST I see that D&R Classic once again is trying to auction off a NOS '67 Camaro/Firebird Console Clock. Either they have a stash of them or the first one never sold. Keep in mind this clock is not 100% correct for a '68. (and the mounting bezel for console applications does not appear to be included). Currently up to: $66.00 E-Bay Item # 561281659 John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Parts is parts From: <Chuck_Sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:20:54 -0800 Muncie 4 speed m21 out of 67 firebird $300. Also brand new rear springs $100.00 and misc parts carhouse@pacbell.net (714) 993-6165 2 1969 PONTIAC Firebird, seat foam, brand new, $100 both (909) 817-1711 67-68 Pontiac Firebird tail lights $80/pr, 67 front valance $75, manual = strg gearbox SSMAN66@msn.com (714) 995-5754 '69 Firebird parts:Tail lghts $60pr, Emblems-Firebird $15,Pontiac $20,350 $10,Fender inserts $10pr,Glove door $20,Nose moulding$20,Dipstk$15,NEW centerlink $100,NEW splash aprns sfmark@gte.net (888) 969-8273
(back) Subject: A/C Comp. Replacement From: "Rich Durham" <bull@ccomm.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:37:47 -0500 Greetings, Re: A/C, my Bird has factory air, but the compressor is gone bye-bye. Can anyone recommend a good, reliable source for a replacement? Also, how big a deal would it be to convert to R134? Thanks in advance. Rich Durham Weatherly, Pa. '68 Firebird Stock 350
(back) Subject: Re: Exhaust Questions From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:47:46 -0500 Erich - Go dual exaust. Let a Muffelr man do it. If I were you (what I did) I looked around at local shops. I happened apon talking to an exaust guy at a place called Merlin's Meffler. He had a 70 Chevelle (beautiful) = I let him put on the exaust because he appreciated older cars. He did = awesome work. He put on the car Mufflers called "magna-flow" http://www.promuffler.com/magnaflow.htm It's not loud but has a deep = RUMBLE. It's a high performance 'straight-through' muffler. the whole thing cost = me $430.00. It wa a little $$ but he did a very good job. I had all this = done last week. John. -----Original Message----- From: Erich Wagner (by way of Geoff Martin,<Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>) <ewagner@advancepac.com> To: Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Exhaust Questions >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I will be putting a complete exhaust system on my bird (=9267 326, auto >Convert) this spring (my neighbors will be pleased, for some reason they >don >=92t like the sound of an engine just with temporary flex pipes coming = off >the >manifolds!) I intend to go with a dual exhaust, not the original single. > >I see where Ames offers complete exhaust systems as well as some optional >mufflers. > >A few questions: >1) Would this group recommend I buy an exhaust system such as the >one >listed in Ames and install it myself? I=92m not an automotive expert but >with >some help I have been able to disassemble the whole motor and put it back >again (even better, it runs and I don=92t have too many parts left over). = I >do not have any welding equipment and I would have to install the system >with the car on blocks and jack stands. Is this doable for a man of my >=93talents=94 and equipment? >2) If I do go this route what would you recommend I buy? Does >anybody >recommend stainless steel? I want to keep the car as original looking as >possible and I want a little sound but not a lot. >3) The other option is to have a local muffler place make me a dual >exhaust system. What is everyone=92s thoughts on this? > >Thanks, >Erich >=9267 326 Convertible
(back) Subject: Anybody know where I can get these? From: "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:00:03 -0700 I am looking for the window rollers for my 68 Convertible. I finally found = some on ebay but holy cow do they really cost that much? I'd rather just guide the window everytime if they do. Anyone know where I can get these = or have a few extra I can buy? On ebay they are item #NOS 67 68 69 CAMARO FIREBIRD QTR WIN ROLLERS Item #560648820. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Fuel vent, temp gauge From: "Binty" <binty_one@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) As an entry level FG Firebird owner, i'm looking for tips on how to do it the easy way first! I looked in the FAQ's, and they cover bits, but not all of my dilema. No1 There is a small vent (couple of 3 millimeters) on the gas filler a couple of inches below the opening. i guessed from the FAQ's that there is a small tube that attaches to this vent (currently missing); how long is the tubing, and where does it go? (if anywhere?) No2. The temperature gauge indicator light on the instrument panel is no longer functioning - I presumed a blown bulb, but is this where i start? Replacing the bulb looks a little intimidating, i could do with some pointers. I am moving at the end of Feb, & have a rear parcel tray that i need to get rid of, anyone want it, you pay the shipping. Or come visit the N Oregon Coast. I also inherited a tranny filter, that doesn't fit my car - part AC PF-171 6438816, could anyone use it? Thanks, Cheers Binty 69 350 Coupe binty_one@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Alberta Canada From: "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:12:29 -0000 anyone here from Alberta? I'm looking for someone on the list that might have a good engine for sale = in my area- 350-400- something of a recent rebuild or one that has low milage and runs good. Not one that needs a rebuild. Thanks Rod _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: RE: Anybody know where I can get these? From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:29:44 -0700 I am looking for the window rollers for my 68 Convertible. I finally found some on ebay but holy cow do they really cost that much? I'd rather just guide the window everytime if they do. Anyone know where I can get these = or have a few extra I can buy? On ebay they are item #NOS 67 68 69 CAMARO FIREBIRD QTR WIN ROLLERS Item #560648820. Thanks! i found them in a classic industries catalog for 4.95 each. that ebay add was selling 6 of them for 30$ so that seems like a pretty fair price. = -dan Rietman 68 400 new mexico
(back) Subject: difference between 455 and 350 From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:52:16 -0500 Well guys, I have my 455 running now, and wanted to report the difference = in performance. car is 68 convert. First engine was 350 4bbl, headers, 2.5 exh. 2.56 rear peg leg With gtech ran 0-60 in 7.9 qrtr 15.8 @ 95 best. The new motor is = a real monster, even with the 2.56. With gtech and 1/2 throttle to 25 mph I ran 0-60 in 5.6 and babying it off the line and shifting at the wrong time qrtr was 14.2 @ 109.5. I haven't done any tuning on this motor yet, it's really amazing. I think it is a great combo with the 2.56. I'm sure this engine will get into at least the mid 13's with some tuning and driving practice. I'm having a blast. Have to reccommend to everyone to dump that 350 for a 455! tim
(back) Subject: Re: Window rollers From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:52:56 GMT They are available repo for $5 each and from the camaro parts vendors and = from the looks of the packaging in the ebay ad they look prety new to be old = stock. I bet you could take those part numbers to your GM dealer and still get = them new GM cheaper. They fit multiple applications, not just birds, and they = are common wearing parts so there is a good chance they may still be = available. I learned that from looking at the restoration parts vendors. If it says GM = you can go to the dealer and still get it cheaper, that's what they do when = you order a GM part. If it says OER it is a licensed reproduction part and is = only available through them, not GM dealers. Those $425 each 67-68 fenders that = are GM can be bought through the dealer still for $330. The GM inner fenders = in the resto catalogs are actually Camaro inners still available for $109 and = $107, same except the front has to be trimmed a little(actually says trimming required in Performance Years book). The GM radiator supports are still available for I think $157. It is the camaro part number, same as birds = except the original bird part number included the baffle and shows discontinued. Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: Console clocks, Ebay From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:01:46 GMT If you buy one get a NOS one with the hardware. I bought one in December = for $195 from D&R on ebay, it is correct for 67. The housing has a flat on the = back of it for console mounting, a brcket was also in the kit for floor = mounting on the hump. They have a stash of them NOS. The one in the picture is not = what you will get, they use the same pics for all there parts. I bought a rear = defroster kit from ebay through D & R. Auction listing said "just for fun there is = no reserve" paid $140. When I got it was out of a 70's car, newer different = motor than the original 67's. The motor was froze up and didn't work. There was = a nice little preprinted paper in the box that said there was no warranty on = there used part, a**holes! I'll never buy anything from them again!!! Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: AM/FM price going up ?! From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:05:39 +1100 Can't help but mention. Did you see the AM/FM radio (68) lately on ebay that went for $660 !. Glad I bought mine 12 months ago .....cheers, Dale '68 Conv See : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5537046= 55
(back) Subject: Re: Console clocks, Ebay From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:11:50 -0500 I hope you left them negative feedback and contacted them concerning the deception... Negative feedback is the only way that people will know who the good vendors are. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kmorrow@socket.net> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Console clocks, Ebay > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > If you buy one get a NOS one with the hardware. I bought one in December for > $195 from D&R on ebay, it is correct for 67. The housing has a flat on = the back > of it for console mounting, a brcket was also in the kit for floor mounting on > the hump. They have a stash of them NOS. The one in the picture is not what you > will get, they use the same pics for all there parts. I bought a rear defroster > kit from ebay through D & R. Auction listing said "just for fun there is no > reserve" paid $140. When I got it was out of a 70's car, newer different motor > than the original 67's. The motor was froze up and didn't work. There = was a > nice little preprinted paper in the box that said there was no warranty = on > there used part, a**holes! I'll never buy anything from them again!!! > > > Kane > kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: AM/FM price going up ?! From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:15:20 -0500 WOW! And the add says, "...worked 13 years ago when I took it out, hasn't been tested...". Those bidders are definitely 'etards'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: AM/FM price going up ?! > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Can't help but mention. Did you see the AM/FM radio (68) lately on ebay > that went for $660 !. Glad I bought mine 12 months ago .....cheers, Dale > '68 Conv See : > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5537046= 55
(back) Subject: 2" Drop Spindles From: "Eric Toledo" <erictol@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:30:40 -0800 I recieved and installed my new front end kit along with the 2" drop =3D spindles from PST. First thing is the car looks great, and now for the = =3D problem. The wheels and tires I have on now (American Mag 15x7) with =3D P235/60 rub against the Tie Rods in the front. I tried to use Al's 14x7 = =3D Rally 2 but they too still rub. Has anyone gone with the 2" drop =3D spindles? If so, what kind of wheels do you have? I went to America's = =3D Tire Company and they said that the wheels need to come out some more =3D and I could use these ugly 15x6 wheels and use 15x8 in the back. Of =3D course it was about $1,500 for the whole deal (wich in my mind is WAY =3D too much for something non original). Could I use the Rally 2 15x6 with = =3D this new conversion? Thanks for the help, Eric
(back) Subject: Re: A/C Comp. Replacement From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:41:04 -0800 Older A/C compressors are rebuildable I'd contact the pump manufacturer about where to get parts. Service of some parts can take as little as 15 minutes. If you replace your compressor. be sure the new one is the same. If the clutch has failed, that is easily fixed. Some systems have easily replaced valves. The piston seals and shaft seals will be more involved. = You should easily be able to rebuild the entire thing in a day. You will either way have to have the system drained(skip this if there is no = pressure in your system, there is a schraeder valve near the compressor) , = vacuumed, and refilled at a shop equipped with a refrigerant recycling machine. I would have all filter/screen components replaced while the system is = open Two things about R134.... NEVER MIX R234 and R12! your system will be ruined. R134 has double the working pressure of R12, so all old components would see600PSI on the high pressure side. If you have the original pump, it might be worth repairing. A refrigeration shop should be able to order stock looking parts. Stay cool.... Rowan >From: Rich Durham <bull@ccomm.com> >Greetings, Re: A/C, my Bird has factory air, but the compressor is gone >bye-bye. Can anyone recommend a good, reliable source for a replacement? >Also, how big a deal would it be to convert to R134? Thanks in advance. >Rich Durham >Weatherly, Pa. >'68 Firebird >Stock 350 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Anybody know where I can get these? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:16:11 -0800 Maybe...Are 67 different? >From: "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> >I am looking for the window rollers for my 68 Convertible. I finally = found >some on ebay but holy cow do they really cost that much? I'd rather just >guide the window everytime if they do. Anyone know where I can get these = >or >have a few extra I can buy? On ebay they are item #NOS 67 68 69 CAMARO >FIREBIRD QTR WIN ROLLERS >Item #560648820. Thanks! >_________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: FS: 67 Firebird Convertible From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:47:04 -0500 PONT--'67 Firebird convertible, 326 V8, auto., ps, power top, runs great, $5850. Call 703-626-7039 This ad first appeared in The Washington Post Feb 15, 2001. I ran across this on the WP site. I don't know anything at all about it, but thought someone might find it interesting.
(back) Subject: Re: Exhaust Questions From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:43:14 -0800 Prebent clamp together systems are pretty good, and not too hard to = install. No auto manufacturer I'm aware of welds their exhaust systms into one peice. If using clamps, make sure the threaded parts do not project downward, they are an extra pain after being dragged over a few obstacles. Doubling clamps in opposite directions is helpful in preventing leaks. If yo do not order a system that comes with all hangers, getting the dual system hanging well on your ride will require serious ingenuity. I do not recomend the hangars that are a lag bolt wit two shock bushings. They transmit more vibration into the car, and tend to work loose. Handy in = the tight space by the back o the leaf spring though. That is probably the hardest part to get right. A tactic I have used at the muffler shop is to ask for the peices bent, saying 'Ill weld it myself'. Ive had the price of a full system made and installed reduced 50%, because they realy only make money on the labor, = and don't want to loose that. The salesperson is often paid comission, tries = to sell high. I'd agree with Jhon, Find a tech who likes cars, or somone you know. You will end up much more satisfied. Above all do not go to Midas, They will loose a lugnut without touching anything but the muffler! ..02 Rowan*68 (wounded) PS> An Engine tech has taken his training course, and just completed His final exam. He is surprised to see He got 110% on the exam, and askes the instructor about it. The instructor replies ,"You scored 33% for corectly diagnosing the problem, 33% for knowing the procedure for correcting the problem, 33% for sucessfuly repairing the problem, and an extra 10% = because I've never seen anyone who could fix an engine through th tailpipe = before." "no problem,"says the tech with a smile,"I was a gynecologist before I got into this." >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> >......................................................................... >Erich - Go dual exaust. Let a Muffelr man do it. If I were you (what I >did) I looked around at local shops. I happened apon talking to an = exaust >guy at a place called Merlin's Meffler. He had a 70 Chevelle (beautiful) = I >let him put on the exaust because he appreciated older cars. He did >awesome >work. He put on the car Mufflers called "magna-flow" >http://www.promuffler.com/magnaflow.htm It's not loud but has a deep >RUMBLE. >It's a high performance 'straight-through' muffler. the whole thing cost = >me >$430.00. It wa a little $$ but he did a very good job. I had all this >done >last week. John. >-----Original Message----- >From: Erich Wagner (by way of Geoff >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing >List > = >......................................................................... > >I will be putting a complete exhaust system on my bird (=ED67 326, auto > >Convert) this spring (my neighbors will be pleased, for some reason = they > >don > >=EDt like the sound of an engine just with temporary flex pipes coming = off > >the > >manifolds!) I intend to go with a dual exhaust, not the original = single. > > > >I see where Ames offers complete exhaust systems as well as some = optional > >mufflers. > > > >A few questions: > >1) Would this group recommend I buy an exhaust system such as the > >one > >listed in Ames and install it myself? I=EDm not an automotive expert = but > >with > >some help I have been able to disassemble the whole motor and put it = back > >again (even better, it runs and I don=EDt have too many parts left = over). >I > >do not have any welding equipment and I would have to install the = system > >with the car on blocks and jack stands. Is this doable for a man of my > >=ECtalents=EE and equipment? > >2) If I do go this route what would you recommend I buy? Does > >anybody > >recommend stainless steel? I want to keep the car as original looking = as > >possible and I want a little sound but not a lot. > >3) The other option is to have a local muffler place make me a = dual > >exhaust system. What is everyone=EDs thoughts on this? > > > >Thanks, > >Erich > >=ED67 326 Convertible > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: List Server: Re: Another engine problem From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:46:08 -0800 If you are lucky the wires are reversed. Be aware that non HEI wires will = not have enough insulation, and if the wires to adjacent firing cylenders = will cross from one wire to the other if too close to each other. try not = to ever run the wires so one is next to the wire for the cylnder that = fires next. The worst pattern problem for HEI distributors seems to be sticking = of the advance weights/mehanism. Rowan*68 >From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> >......................................................................... >I just installed my new HEI on my 350 and it was working fine for a few >days. Then I started playing with the carb (Edlebrock) jetting to rich >up a lean problem. The car was running fine (drove it for several miles >to work). When leaving work (engine cold) the engine started fine, then >all of a sudden very rough idle. I inspected the new HEI cap and wires >and everything looked perfect. I thought I fowled a spark plug cause I >could remove distributor wires from 2 cylinders and the engine didn't >drop RPM. I replaced all the plugs and the same problem exists. The 2 >dead cylinders are next to each other (4&6), I may have a dead one on >the odd bank as well. > >This is a low compression engine. I'm thinking about doing a >compression test next. Also, the car seems to have power at WOT. Any >ideas? > >Al _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com