First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: e-bay shenanigans by "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Re: 1st Gen owner's by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> 68 400 parts by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Re: BeenTo145AndwantToGoEvenFaster by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: How do I remove by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Traction bars by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re: AC or not to AC by <F119flight@aol.com> One Piece Fuel Lines by <F119flight@aol.com> Re: Traction bars by <hugoba@apcom.com> Pricing a Convertible by "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Re: Pricing a Convertible by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: e-bay shenanigans by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Re: e-bay shenanigans From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:45:56 -0600 I've done a few transactions on eBay myself, and I know your frustrations. I think the situation is like trying to be the ninth caller to a radio station to win those concert tickets. It's sheer luck to get the timing just right! It has also been my experience that when there is heavy bidding, the item usually sells for much more than it's worth anyway. = Ebay might be a place to find a rare item and pay dearly for it, but it is not = a place to find bargains! Stumann >I was steamed! I found a part on e-bay I was interested in, and there >had been no bids. I happened to catch it with about 3 minutes to go on >the clock. I put in a bid $10 above the minimum. I came back in three >minutes and actually watched the clock count down to 4..3..2..1 >seconds. With one second to go, I watched not one but 4 bids get placed! > >I don't know how these guys are doing it .. maybe some kind of >programmed bidding, but I was p!$$ed. > >Makes me serioulsy question how "fair" the whole on-line auction >business really is. Maybe there are two classes of players on e-bays ... >us "pilgrims" and the real players. > >Pardon my venting; I'll just go cool off and scrape some rust... > >Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: 1st Gen owner's From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:54:10 -0500 The calender says I'm going to be 45 on Saturday, but I like to think of it as having 28 years of experience at being 17 (especially since I got my 69 Sprint when I was 17!) Glenn aka birdman Chris Porter wrote: > I look at it this way. I may be 35 physically, but I think > ALL of us are 18 mentally :-). How else would ( supposedly ) > > mature adult's spend 100's of hours and &1000's of dollars > on these 30 + year old cars ? If we were mature, we would be > > driving OldsmoBuicks. Personally, I like being immature, > it's a lot more fun ! > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top >
(back) Subject: 68 400 parts From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:08:30 -0500 I received this email today: Hi....I have a 68 bird 400 and im going to be taking off parts to get it setup up for 1/4 mile and i found your site and was wonderin if your = lookin for any parts.....if you know any buddy let me know .Thanks..paul Email is SSFATBOYSS@aol.com I let him know i was forwarding message Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks/home.htm '68 Firebird Photos http://communities.msn.com/68FirebirdRestoration/home.htm
(back) Subject: Re: BeenTo145AndwantToGoEvenFaster From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) I have no doubt that the first gens could get up there with a bit of work. I've upgraded the whole suspension system on my 98 with Eibach springs, Billstein shocks, solid LCA's and panhard rod, poly (yes, squeaky poly) = bushings all around, subframe connectors, strut tower brace and 285/40x17 = Michelins. The car has more than enough power to get up there and then some but the = stock suspension components made it scary to go over 100. The car sits about 1" lower now and it rides like if it was on rails. I'll stick to cruising and maybe draging on the first gens and use the 4th = for that need-for-speed ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu Feb 15 18:08:50 2001 > X-Sender: gary@mail.tcworks.net > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:06:57 -0500 > To: firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > Subject: BeenTo145AndwantToGoEvenFaster > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners > From: <hugoba@apcom.com> > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:36:41 -0800 (PST) > > Im on the ba-f-body email list as well and the majority of the list = members > have > 4th gens and there is a pretty good mix of us old f@r+$ and younger guys = (and > gals as well). The difference is that most are adicted to going fast and = are > into one form of racing or other. When a new member chimes in then it's = a free- > for-all to help this nice unsuspecting person spend their hard earned = money on > mods and go-fast goodies for their car. > > I guess some of us are re-living our adolescence and unfortunately we = have more > money available to spend on these go-fast goodies. If we could only buy = some > go fast parts for OUR bodies ;-) > > Hugo > BeenTo145AndWantToGoEvenFaster! > > PS. Just to make sure, my son's first car is going to be a 67 326 HO = that we're > working on. > > > Hugo you dont need a 4 th gen bird to go fast. > Ive buried the speedo in my 68 several times during my > younger and less sensible days.Ive broke about every kind of part > doing it too.Once made it from Winter Park to St Pete in 45 min. > with a pit stop in Lakeland. > 4 gen cars are better suited to this tho.. front end on 68 starts = floating > at about > 145.I added a rear deck spoiler which most likely aggravated the light > front end > situation. Perhaps I should have added a chin spoiler too. > Gary >
(back) Subject: Re: How do I remove From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:15:00 -0800 Im thinking it is about despotwelding[sic]/soldering the frame, and attatching it to my car, but Im not sure how it is atrtatched >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> .................................................... >Oh yea those studs on the tail lights arnt really studs but they are. If >they "twist" on you when you are undoing the nut, it,well, lets just say >It's not easy. Dont push the studs "in" when you are taking off the = nuts. >I >cant explain it. Can anyone give a little help here? John. >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > >I'd like some tips on removing these... > >Raingutter chromes > >the taillight mounting frame > >hope to hurt them as little as possible. > >Thanks > >Rowan > >_____________________ ,try this for removing stainless rain gutter trim. > >Find a old fashion bottle (beer can) opener. > >the cheapy kind like they used to give with a > >case of beer. > >Wrap the bottle cap end with a few layers > >of masking tape, covering the hooked part and the > >rest of it to prevent dents and scratches in stainless. > >Start at front end and slowly work the opener upward > > and towards the rear ,only doing about an inch at a time. > >dont leave it hanging by itself when you get about half way or it will >bend. > >Its good to have an extra set of hands when removing or installing this >trim. > >This is one item thats much easier to install than remove. > > > >As for the tailights theres 4 nuts to remove and its free. > >Gasket can sometimes make it stick to inner body. > >Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Traction bars From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:24:11 -0800 I was just studieng upon those things, There should(on a 400 car) be a = pair of heavy plates under the back seat, each with two heavy bolts hanging = down. OHC6 cars only had the passenger side, and I have that(passenger)plate = if you need it. I gather the bars are tough to come by. rowan >From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> >As you may remember, I just bought a 67 400 Coupe. I'm getting around to >getting the little things that are needed for it and I'm wondering, where = >do >I get the factory traction bars? At least I assume the car had them >because >the rear axle has mounts for them. Any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:40:40 +1100 I'm 37 (old!?) and have only been to the U.S. twice in my life. 1993 & last September. On my travels in '93 (which was driving thru 26 states over a 7 week period in...dare I say it....shudder...an Oldsmobile Firenza = Station wagon...errrgh). During that trip I never had the luck to see a single 1st gen bird. Nor in Oz did we ever manufacture Birds or their = poor cousins the Cramo. Maybe a few birds were personally imported but I certainly never saw one here when I was a kid. I've always had a thing = for Cars generally and when I was in my teens I used to ...erh... I must admit = it...admire the 1st gen Cramo (remebering that 327 here is a fair bit of grunt). I was always (and still am) obsessed with '55 & '57 Chebs and loved the Hemi stuff. But, one faithful day I saw a picture of a '68 Bird = convertible and...well...maybe it's just the fact that I'm on this list = and am VERY proud to own one, but.....I really believe they have a CLASSIC & UNIQUE look. Not plain like their cousin and very different from the Fjord pony equivalent. There must be something to be said for the madness = of the Poncho guys stuffing so much horseposwer in the F-body back then in = 67,8 & 9. Bless 'em. So, I never was your steriotypical American boy nor = did I grow up around these fine cars, nor was I a teenager when they first = hit the street (only 5), nor have I in fact EVER HAD A RIDE IN ONE ! So, = I put it down to the classic looks ie. 400 hood, chrome trim on the Qtrs, that "beak" out the front, the slits for tail lights and most especially the twin scoops and FACTORY Hood tach!....it says it all. I should also mention that here in Oz we never really got a "pony" sized car that had = so many cubic inches stuffed into it and could almost say "What's a convertible?" ......and when I say cubes I mean a car this size in Oz = would normally not be bigger than a 302/308....And my nephews (14 & 10) and daughter (5) drool over this baby..even when it's jujst a shell. ..... All = hail the 1st gen bird !!! 8-<:~)... (now I'll cease my mad ravings and rock back and forward gently with trust drill & wire = wheel).........cheers, Dale '68 Conv.
(back) Subject: Re: AC or not to AC From: <F119flight@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:08:38 EST Glenn, nice to know there is a "lister" so close. I'm actually off of 65W. = No, my bird is blue with a white top. It's been in my garage more than on = the road lately as I am attempting to clean and re-lube all the windows slides = and adjust everything to be aligned and weather tight. The former owner = just wanted a flashy car but had minimal mechanical talent (two hands to roll = up windows, doors difficult to open, lamp wire to the starter solenoid, only shifted into two gears, high beam headlamp buckets where low beams go, no hood rubbers, chrome tape instead of rocker molding............etc). I'm a = long time GTO owner but without having worked on Birds this is a new/slow process for me. I sure could use a good model to follow. If your bird is pretty much together I'd like to take a look at it sometime. In a message dated 2/13/01 5:53:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, jupoa@cyberpass.net writes: << First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List ......................................................................... Steve That summer sun can scorch in Quartz Hill too! Was that your red 68 I = seen parked on 45th West a couple of months ago? If so, it looks great. Who = did your paint? Glenn 67 326 coupe F119flight@aol.com wrote: > > I have an older aftermarket (dealer installed???) AC in my 68 = convertible. It > blows nice cold air. The installation looks easier than factory but not = quite > as nice. I too live where it can reach 110 so sometimes dropping the = top just > doesn't quite do it. I'm in Lancaster, CA so if you are near by I could = "show > you mine." > > Steve > 68 350 Convertible >>
(back) Subject: One Piece Fuel Lines From: <F119flight@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:30:59 EST I want to replace my fuel lines (supply and return) with new stainless = ones but not sure if I can route them with the body on the frame and the engine = installed. Anybody done this w/o turning them into $100 pretzels? Steve, 68 350 Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Traction bars From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:35:37 -0800 (PST) I believe that the single bar came on all 67's except the 400's. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu Feb 15 22:29:05 2001 > X-Originating-IP: [209.165.194.129] > From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: Re: Traction bars > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:24:11 -0800 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2001 05:24:12.0045 (UTC) > FILETIME=3D[B1F0C3D0:01C097D8] > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > I was just studieng upon those things, There should(on a 400 car) be a = pair > of heavy plates under the back seat, each with two heavy bolts hanging = down. > OHC6 cars only had the passenger side, and I have that(passenger)plate = if > you need it. > I gather the bars are tough to come by. > rowan > > >From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> > > >As you may remember, I just bought a 67 400 Coupe. I'm getting around = to > >getting the little things that are needed for it and I'm wondering, = where > >do > >I get the factory traction bars? At least I assume the car had them > >because > >the rear axle has mounts for them. Any ideas? >
(back) Subject: Pricing a Convertible From: "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:23:21 -0800 I've got a line on a '68 6-cyl convertible. I'm hoping to go look at it = next weekend with a friend who's looking for a project. What's a good = source for pricing? All I know about the car right now is that it runs well, has = just under 100K original miles, is Verdoro Green with a black top that is torn, has black vinyl upholstery that needs cleaning, needs new carpet, = has a three-speed on the floor, and has some rust on the hood. BTW, my '68 400 passed the 300,000 mile mark yesterday! Andy >
(back) Subject: Re: Pricing a Convertible From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:52:24 -0800 300,000! Chalk another one up for the good guys That speaks well of both car and the owner. Congrats, Rowan*68 >From: Andy <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> >I've got a line on a '68 6-cyl convertible. I'm hoping to go look at it >next weekend with a friend who's looking for a project. What's a good >source >for pricing? All I know about the car right now is that it runs well, has = >just under 100K original miles, is Verdoro Green with a black top that is >torn, has black vinyl upholstery that needs cleaning, needs new carpet, = has >a three-speed on the floor, and has some rust on the hood. > >BTW, my '68 400 passed the 300,000 mile mark yesterday! > >Andy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: e-bay shenanigans From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:56:28 -0500 Bob, What happens with EBAY is this...Say there are 5 people who want one item, = there are no bids with 5 seconds left in auction. Those five people can submit five different bids of different amounts, the one with the highest bid wins...kinda like the Trojan horse thing..If I see something I want, I = bookmark it, and bid on it with 3 seconds left. I only bid what I think I should pay, and no more..there will be other items in the future...I = learned never to bid on an item prior to the last 5 seconds...just drives up the price. All is fair in love and war man! Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com