First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List BeenTo145AndwantToGoEvenFaster by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> How do I remove by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: 1st Gen owner's by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Repro Rally II Wheels by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Roy-L E/Mail by "Pete D" <pjd805@yahoo.com> Re: How do I remove by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by <T2AVLIS@aol.com> e-bay shenanigans by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Re: How do I remove by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Repro Rally II Wheels by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Traction bars by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: Rochester puking.... by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Re: e-bay shenanigans by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: e-bay shenanigans by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: My poor Poncho! by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Gasoline Smell by <SteveBrady1@aol.com>
(back) Subject: BeenTo145AndwantToGoEvenFaster From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:06:57 -0500 Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:36:41 -0800 (PST) Im on the ba-f-body email list as well and the majority of the list = members have 4th gens and there is a pretty good mix of us old f@r+$ and younger guys = (and gals as well). The difference is that most are adicted to going fast and = are into one form of racing or other. When a new member chimes in then it's a = free- for-all to help this nice unsuspecting person spend their hard earned = money on mods and go-fast goodies for their car. I guess some of us are re-living our adolescence and unfortunately we have = more money available to spend on these go-fast goodies. If we could only buy = some go fast parts for OUR bodies ;-) Hugo BeenTo145AndWantToGoEvenFaster! PS. Just to make sure, my son's first car is going to be a 67 326 HO that = we're working on. Hugo you dont need a 4 th gen bird to go fast. Ive buried the speedo in my 68 several times during my younger and less sensible days.Ive broke about every kind of part doing it too.Once made it from Winter Park to St Pete in 45 min. with a pit stop in Lakeland. 4 gen cars are better suited to this tho.. front end on 68 starts floating = at about 145.I added a rear deck spoiler which most likely aggravated the light front end situation. Perhaps I should have added a chin spoiler too. Gary
(back) Subject: How do I remove From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:21:01 -0500 Subject: How do i remove... From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:14:59 -0800 I'd like some tips on removing these... Raingutter chromes the taillight mounting frame hope to hurt them as little as possible. Thanks Rowan _____________________ Rowan,try this for removing stainless rain gutter trim. Find a old fashion bottle (beer can) opener. the cheapy kind like they used to give with a case of beer. Wrap the bottle cap end with a few layers of masking tape, covering the hooked part and the rest of it to prevent dents and scratches in stainless. Start at front end and slowly work the opener upward and towards the rear ,only doing about an inch at a time. dont leave it hanging by itself when you get about half way or it will = bend. Its good to have an extra set of hands when removing or installing this = trim. This is one item thats much easier to install than remove. As for the tailights theres 4 nuts to remove and its free. Gasket can sometimes make it stick to inner body. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: 1st Gen owner's From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:27:30 -0800 I look at it this way. I may be 35 physically, but I think ALL of us are 18 mentally :-). How else would ( supposedly ) mature adult's spend 100's of hours and &1000's of dollars on these 30 + year old cars ? If we were mature, we would be driving OldsmoBuicks. Personally, I like being immature, it's a lot more fun ! Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:45:20 -0500 Hey Ron, You can tell the boys next door that it already has a "big block" in it.....All Pontiac blocks are "big". Unlike Chevrolet, Pontiac blocks are basically all the same. There is no distinction between "big" and "small". As many Pontiac fans already know, it's not all that easy for the newbe to distinguish between a 326 and a = 455 at first glance if you are just looking at the block.....then there's the 301...... Naw that's what I mean A CHEVY big block....They want me to tub and = butcher my un willing Firebird(Pontiac) and make it a cheviac......Please teach = your children not to interbred! RonMan
(back) Subject: Repro Rally II Wheels From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:11:58 -0800 (PST) A few weeks ago, I was attending the car show formerly known as the Oakland Roadster Show. This isn't the same event Hugo reported on earlier this week. While there, I met a sales rep. at the Wheel Vintiques <http://www.wheelvintiques.com/> I asked about the Rally II wheels, and any word on resumed production. They are producing more 15 inch wheels, but don't have 14 inch available yet. As some of you already know, they take used center sections, cut them out, and weld them to new rim sections. 14 inch wheels have all but dissapeared from the California and other Western salvage yards where they aquire them from. They did get in some 15 inch wheels which will allow them to resume refurbishing that size. The rep. said that along with now producing the older Rally I, they were working with a supplier for NEW Rally II center sections. This means that they will be producing entirely new Rally II wheels once they start getting acceptable samples and work out the production details. This is for 14 and 15 inch wheels. I also asked about the possibility of 16" Pontiac Rallys. He said that this wasn't going to happen. They didn't see a big enough market to got through that process. He then said it might be done in billet though. He pointed out some Chevy Ralley wheels done in billet, offered in 16 and 17 sizes. While nice, at $350 or more per wheel, I wasn't impressed by the affordability factor. On the manufacturing side, doing small production runs in billet aluminum makes more financial sense since this requires only a computer program versus a steel wheel requires an investment in stamps and dies. Having purchased dies for my employer, I can vouch for the high costs in initial investment. But, I would imagine that a great many Pontiac owners would balk at the $1400 plus expense in wheels alone. Others, with deeper pockets, might not. For billet wheels, this is not a high price. Anyway, I thought I'd share this bit of info from a supplier. Wheel Vintiques suppliers repro wheels to a number of Pontiac restoration calatog companies, as well as Summit and Jegs. You can buy direct from them as well. But they give Summit and Jegs a volume price break that makes buying from those two a few dollars cheaper than buying direct. Their wheels are powder coated silver, with the charcoal sections in regular paint over that. They also do custom offsets for not much more than the cost of standard. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Roy-L E/Mail From: "Pete D" <pjd805@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) Hey Roy Lumsden, I sent you 2 e-mails directly regarding the over-flo bottle - did you get them?? I didn't hear back from you so I'm not sure if you received them or not[?]. Let me know if you'd like me to re-send the pic. Thx PeteJD [69 400/400] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: How do I remove From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:31:01 -0500 Oh yea those studs on the tail lights arnt really studs but they are. If they "twist" on you when you are undoing the nut, it,well, lets just say It's not easy. Dont push the studs "in" when you are taking off the nuts. = I cant explain it. Can anyone give a little help here? John. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> To: firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: How do I remove >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >Subject: How do i remove... >From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:14:59 -0800 > >I'd like some tips on removing these... >Raingutter chromes >the taillight mounting frame >hope to hurt them as little as possible. >Thanks >Rowan >_____________________ > > > >Rowan,try this for removing stainless rain gutter trim. >Find a old fashion bottle (beer can) opener. >the cheapy kind like they used to give with a >case of beer. >Wrap the bottle cap end with a few layers >of masking tape, covering the hooked part and the >rest of it to prevent dents and scratches in stainless. >Start at front end and slowly work the opener upward > and towards the rear ,only doing about an inch at a time. >dont leave it hanging by itself when you get about half way or it will bend. >Its good to have an extra set of hands when removing or installing this trim. >This is one item thats much easier to install than remove. > >As for the tailights theres 4 nuts to remove and its free. >Gasket can sometimes make it stick to inner body. >Gary > >
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: <T2AVLIS@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:19:17 EST The way I see it, someday our first gen birds will be coveted like 55-57 chevys are now. They should always be desirable because they have objectively nice lines, and a place in the muscle car history. Tony 69 conv
(back) Subject: e-bay shenanigans From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:43:41 -0500 I was steamed! I found a part on e-bay I was interested in, and there had been no bids. I happened to catch it with about 3 minutes to go on the clock. I put in a bid $10 above the minimum. I came back in three minutes and actually watched the clock count down to 4..3..2..1 seconds. With one second to go, I watched not one but 4 bids get placed! I don't know how these guys are doing it .. maybe some kind of programmed bidding, but I was p!$$ed. Makes me serioulsy question how "fair" the whole on-line auction business really is. Maybe there are two classes of players on e-bays ... us "pilgrims" and the real players. Pardon my venting; I'll just go cool off and scrape some rust... Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: How do I remove From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:48:43 -0800 Just what I was looking for on the trim, thanks. With the Taillight mount, I need the framework that holds the 4 studs, as one of the studs has broken off of my car, causing a leak around the taillight. Rowan >From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > >Subject: How do i remove... >I'd like some tips on removing these... >Raingutter chromes >the taillight mounting frame >hope to hurt them as little as possible. >Thanks >Rowan >_____________________ > > > >Rowan,try this for removing stainless rain gutter trim. >Find a old fashion bottle (beer can) opener. >the cheapy kind like they used to give with a >case of beer. >Wrap the bottle cap end with a few layers >of masking tape, covering the hooked part and the >rest of it to prevent dents and scratches in stainless. >Start at front end and slowly work the opener upward > and towards the rear ,only doing about an inch at a time. >dont leave it hanging by itself when you get about half way or it will >bend. >Its good to have an extra set of hands when removing or installing this >trim. >This is one item thats much easier to install than remove. > >As for the tailights theres 4 nuts to remove and its free. >Gasket can sometimes make it stick to inner body. >Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:51:44 -0800 Kids these days...No math skills 455>454 What are they thinking? : ) >From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> >Hey Ron, > > You can tell the boys next door that it already has a "big block" in >it.....All Pontiac blocks are "big". > >Unlike Chevrolet, Pontiac blocks are basically all the same. There is no >distinction between "big" and "small". As many Pontiac fans already know, >it's not all that easy for the newbe to distinguish between a 326 and a = 455 >at first glance if you are just looking at the block.....then there's the >301...... > > > >Naw that's what I mean A CHEVY big block....They want me to tub and = butcher >my un willing Firebird(Pontiac) and make it a cheviac......Please teach >your >children not to interbred! > >RonMan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:51:54 -0800 Kids these days...No math skills 455>454 What are they thinking? : ) Rowan >From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> >Hey Ron, > > You can tell the boys next door that it already has a "big block" in >it.....All Pontiac blocks are "big". > >Unlike Chevrolet, Pontiac blocks are basically all the same. There is no >distinction between "big" and "small". As many Pontiac fans already know, >it's not all that easy for the newbe to distinguish between a 326 and a = 455 >at first glance if you are just looking at the block.....then there's the >301...... > > > >Naw that's what I mean A CHEVY big block....They want me to tub and = butcher >my un willing Firebird(Pontiac) and make it a cheviac......Please teach >your >children not to interbred! > >RonMan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Repro Rally II Wheels From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:55:21 -0500 Intersesting observation about the scarcity of 14" rally IIs. They are scattered all over the junkyards here in the midwest. I had trouble = finding the 15" ones, but I did get a nice set off a GP. Bob Trimpe Bob Cisneros wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > A few weeks ago, I was attending the car show formerly > known as the Oakland Roadster Show. This isn't the > same event Hugo reported on earlier this week. > > While there, I met a sales rep. at the Wheel Vintiques > > <http://www.wheelvintiques.com/> > > I asked about the Rally II wheels, and any word on > resumed production. They are producing more 15 inch > wheels, but don't have 14 inch available yet. > > As some of you already know, they take used center > sections, cut them out, and weld them to new rim > sections. 14 inch wheels have all but dissapeared > from the California and other Western salvage yards > where they aquire them from. They did get in some > 15 inch wheels which will allow them to resume > refurbishing that size.
(back) Subject: Traction bars From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:54:58 -0500 As you may remember, I just bought a 67 400 Coupe. I'm getting around to getting the little things that are needed for it and I'm wondering, where = do I get the factory traction bars? At least I assume the car had them = because the rear axle has mounts for them. Any ideas?
(back) Subject: Re: Rochester puking.... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:23:02 -0800 (PST) John, There's two likely causes for that. One is a punctured float and the other = is a bad float valve (possibly some junk in there preventing it from closing). You basically have to take it apart to see if the float (one of them) has sunk or you may have to remove them and shake them to see if there is gas = in them. Fixing a punctured float is a PITA but it's doable. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu Feb 15 13:10:32 2001 > From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Rochester puking.... > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:03:45 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Anybody got a clue as to why my carb just started shooting out gas? I = was > cruizing along, Kinda gave it some gas in the passing lane and she kinda > coughed her self out. I smelled gas real bad. I opened the hood and = there > is gas all over the carb and down the sides. I take off the air cleaner > element and it's all over the place. I let it sit a while and it starts = up > pretty quick but - same thing Gas just coming out all over the place. = Any > Rochester guy out there? John.
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:22:10 EST I'm 15, and i picked up my firebird off my dad's failed restoration = attempt. I wouldn't trade it for anything, and I live and breathe Firebird. So yes, = there are those who couldn't wait to get their first Pontiac, (I got = mine!) and there are others. Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible http://members.nbci.com/srb/
(back) Subject: Re: e-bay shenanigans From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:09:37 -0500 Bob, if you are going to bid on ebay, that's the proper way to do it, you will avoid bidding wars that run the item way up even before it's close to being over. If the auction rules held the auction until 5 minutes after = the last bid, that wouldn't happen, but because of their rules you will see = this 'sniping'. Unfortunately for you and others not familiar, it's legal and rather commonplace. Just wait until the last 45 seconds and put in your highest bid or put in your highest bid initially and you either get it or you don't, but you do run the risk of getting sniped following the latter example. I speak from experience as an ebay user with over 160 positive feedbacks. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: e-bay shenanigans > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I was steamed! I found a part on e-bay I was interested in, and there > had been no bids. I happened to catch it with about 3 minutes to go on > the clock. I put in a bid $10 above the minimum. I came back in three > minutes and actually watched the clock count down to 4..3..2..1 > seconds. With one second to go, I watched not one but 4 bids get placed! > > I don't know how these guys are doing it .. maybe some kind of > programmed bidding, but I was p!$$ed. > > Makes me serioulsy question how "fair" the whole on-line auction > business really is. Maybe there are two classes of players on e-bays ... > us "pilgrims" and the real players. > > Pardon my venting; I'll just go cool off and scrape some rust... > > Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: e-bay shenanigans From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:18:26 I understand the frustration. I've been caught a few times in a similar = way. I believe if you put a max bid, any time someone outbids you (as long as it's under your max bid) ebay will automatically up your bid untill it = goes out of your range. ....if you already new that and it still happened then ignore this = message. Matt >From: Bob Trimpe <trimpe@fuse.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: e-bay shenanigans >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:43:41 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I was steamed! I found a part on e-bay I was interested in, and there >had been no bids. I happened to catch it with about 3 minutes to go on >the clock. I put in a bid $10 above the minimum. I came back in three >minutes and actually watched the clock count down to 4..3..2..1 >seconds. With one second to go, I watched not one but 4 bids get placed! > >I don't know how these guys are doing it .. maybe some kind of >programmed bidding, but I was p!$$ed. > >Makes me serioulsy question how "fair" the whole on-line auction >business really is. Maybe there are two classes of players on e-bays ... >us "pilgrims" and the real players. > >Pardon my venting; I'll just go cool off and scrape some rust... > >Bob Trimpe > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: My poor Poncho! From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:45:08 -0500 Rowan, You know I'm not a Purist, but I recommend the Chevy engine for the buddiy's BMW, and get a Jag V12 for your 'bird... Just thinking out loud, Glenn aka birdman x1r1 x wrote: > In my Garage, I have a 1990 Chevy Z71truck TBI motor, only needing a = head > gasket, 100k Miles, new heads. Expect to see pics of this in my bird in = the > near future! Purists...Sorry, Economic necessity. If I am not = satisfied, I > can always change it back later. I will keep you posted as I progress, = and > attempt to document my work by borrowing digital cameras when I get the > chance. im hoping to start in about a week. > Well, thats my sad story. > ps. My housemate lost the motor in his BMW2002 the same day, Girlfriend > driving without oil. > : ( > DOH! DOH! DOH! I mean WoooHooo! > Rowan *68 Frankenbird
(back) Subject: Gasoline Smell From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:45:15 EST Every time my Firebird runs (currently about once/twice a week( I can = smell unburned gasoline. Can anyone help me? Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible http://members.nbci.com/srb/