First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Engine breakin by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Re: List Server: Re: question by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Rick's First Generation website and address by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> An observation about us 1st genners by "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Re: New addition by "Jamie Hutchinson" <jhutchi2@maine.rr.com> Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. by <PStonebrak@aol.com> 12 bolt rears by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: Engine breakin (bit off topic) by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> rally / speedwarning by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> RE: 68 conv driver's door by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> gm rocker moldings by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> RE: An observation about us 1st genners by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: question by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> 67 drop top on E-Bay by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Re: rally / speedwarning by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> RE: An observation about us 1st genners by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Firebird Parts (Rally Gages) by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Re: Combining speedwarning and rally gauges by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Engine breakin (bit off topic) by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> new car dyno by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> RE: 68 conv driver's door by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Engine breakin From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:59:22 -0500 >From my 98 Tahoe Owners manual: Engine break in: WHAT THE HELL ARE DOING IN THIS TAHOE, get out there and get to work on = the 68........ All who like to smile :) RonMan
(back) Subject: Re: List Server: Re: question From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:10:16 -0800 For basic coverage, I pay about $4 more than i did for my '87 Chevy Caprice(one of the safest cars on the road), and my 68 Chevy truck is $6 less. $265 or so for 6 months I think. California has a booming insurance industry, there may be a pretty big state to state diference. AS far as I can tell the CID makes no apprceiable difference in my rate. Rowan *68 > > > >From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> >......................................................................... > >I'm getting close to finding the bird that I want. I've found a 67 326 > >conv. > >here in South Carolina that I'm looking into. My question is, because >I've > >never owned anything but a little piece of s@!t 4 cylinder, what is the > >going rate for insurance on something like a 326? This would be for a = 21 > >yr. > >old male with a good driving record. If there is anyone who happens to >deal > >much with insurance, or anyone that just happens to know I wouldn't = mind >a > >guesstimate. Thanks! > > > >Matt Schmid _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Rick's First Generation website and address From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:22:27 -0500 A lot of the parts are interchangable so it should also help as another source of parts. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >If I owned a Camaro, that might have done me some good. I own a Firebird >and need parts for it from time to time.
(back) Subject: An observation about us 1st genners From: "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:35:22 -0500 Gang - I now participate in two firebird forums (fora?). This one, obviously, and one with a different format for 3d genners at www.thirdgen.org. Having been on the third gen group for 3 months now, I find that there is a glaring difference between the two. First, both are exceedingly helpful and the people willing to share knowledge and experiences. But, as a GENERAL principle, this group seems to have = "older" people either having families or beyond having families, whereas the third-gen group seems to be predominantly teenagers and 20 somethings. There is one obvious reason - they like third gen Fbodies because that's what they drooled over as children or couldn't afford as young drivers, just like many of us with our first gens. But there is a concern - does = it mean that as we get older, there will be no younger generation picking up our torches for our 1st gen f-bodies? Will they fall out of favor, much like pre-war stuff has done (street rods excepted of course)?
(back) Subject: Re: New addition From: "Jamie Hutchinson" <jhutchi2@maine.rr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:50:33 -0500 Gee, Jeff, No phone number or address? Do we hafta go out and buy the = subscription or get it on-line? Do you work for Uncle Henry's?.......LOL Jamie >Off the subject any Mainers see this in UncleHenrys classified: > >1969 Pontiac Firebird Coupe 400ci auto. needs restoration this is a complete >car that s been in my possession for 20 yrs. 1969 Firebird convt. needs >complete restoration buy both $6,000. -Contact Information- Rockland, ME > >Wish I had some more money!
(back) Subject: Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:02:22 EST John, I have a 12 bolt out of an A Body in my 69 bird. You have to = fabricate things. Mine was already in when I bought the car. Perches broke from the welds after getting a decent tire under the car. So make sure whoever does = the install can weld. Pete
(back) Subject: 12 bolt rears From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:17:13 -0500 Subject: Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:17:16 -0500 John, I don't think it will fit. I think the GTO/Chevelle was a wider car. Also, just because it's a 12 bolt doesn't mean it's a posi. My buddy just bought = a 72 SS Chevelle with a 12 bolt and it is a 2.72:1 non-posi. Still, if it is = a posi it would be a valuable bartering tool at your local swap meet. If the price is right and you have the cash and storage space. Not true Roy. Same rear end width In fact the 67 Bird rear is a GTO rear thats got the leaf spring perches added in place of the A bodys coil spring mount. It would still have the cast in upper 4 link eyes tho. You would also need an adapter U joint Gary
(back) Subject: RE: Engine breakin (bit off topic) From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:30:43 -0700 Engine Break in recomendations, The engine in your new vehicle does not require a long break in period. Drive moderately during the first 300 miles. After the initial 60 miles speeds up to 50 or 55 mph are desirable. While cruising, breif full-throttle accelerations,within the limits of = local traffic laws, contributes to a good break-in Wide open throttle acceleration in low gear can be detrimental and should = be avoided. does anyone know how long these companies break in their engines before = they put them in the car?? I have always wondered that. I know they don't = dive the cars around much but the engines might be ran for a while. I always thought maybe they would have a computerized dyno or something like that?? -dan 68 400 new mexico
(back) Subject: rally / speedwarning From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:12:08 -0800 >I am trying to put together a set of rally gauges for my 67 with the safegaurd option(buzzer when you go to fast). FYI, I saw one on E-bay in November of last year, it went for around $450 ( not to bad I thought ). I too am looking for the combination package for my `68. Keep looking, it's out there.....somewhere. If I understand you correctly, you cannot add the speed warning to a rally gauge cluster ? I was thinking if I found one w/o the gauges, I would just combine the two. Is that what you were thinking as well ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: 68 conv driver's door From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:14:43 -0800 Funny Bob I thought the same (Franks) and he has one and I am picking it = up this weekend if we can work out the time. Thanks for the info. Is the conv and coupe door the same for the same year? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Bob Cisneros Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:32 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Re: 68 conv driver's door First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Bryan Young writes: >Had a bad weekend. my driver's door was struck and is dented very badly. = I >am in need of a replacement door as I don't think this one will ever look >the same. Anyone parting a 68 conv that has a driver's door? If so let me >know a price and if close enough to southern california, I'll drive to = you >and pick it up. Just thought I would try the list first before I try a >catalog and pay outragous prices. Thanks. Sorry to read about the accident. Before you spring for a new repro door, try calling these guys for a good used door. Keep in mind that '67, '68, and '69 doors do not interchange. >http://www.frankspontiacparts.com/> Frank's Pontiac Parts (760-789-0669) fax(760-789-0110) 1150 9th Street, Ramona, CA 92065, vistors by appointment only. He's in SoCal so would save you the shipping costs if you can pick up the door. >http:www.bcity.com/pontiac> Steve Hanson (510-634-6012) Steve is in Northern Cal near me. Sort of. >http://www.gmsportssalvage.com/> GM Sports Salvage 1964 Old Oakland Rd., San Jose CA-800-427-9194 or (408)432-8498 Just a stone's throw from my house. Don't remember seeing any convertibles being parted out, but they do have a number of doors and fenders in storage. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: gm rocker moldings From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:51:24 -0500 Anyone have any new gm rocker moldings for 68 bird for sale?Thanks,Larry ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:22:22 -0500 You just politely called us old didn't you? LOL. Actually I think there = are quite a few high schoolers in this group and I have a 12, 9, and 6 year = old that think they are going to get to drive my Bird someday. What they don't = know is I'm gonna make them get their own. Hmm, I wonder if they'll let me drive theirs? Duane A. '69 coupe (mine all mine)
(back) Subject: RE: An observation about us 1st genners From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:29:21 -0700 i am 22 and i am a diehard first gen fan. i think a lot of the reason younger people go for the 3rd gen cars is that it costs a lot less to make = a good daily driver out of a 10 year old car than it does to make a car that is just as good that is 30 years old and has 250,000 miles on it. there = are a lot more cars available in the yards for parts, and the extensive time consuming, MONEY CONSUMING, rebuilds of the newer cars are not usually necessary. i ahve been working on my car since i was 17. (5 years) and 11,000$ later I have yet to drive it. the only reason i can do this is because i keep it on my dads polebarn, and i have a 90 nissan truck that i drive regulary. Most people my age don't make 2000 a month to afford 2 cars, and they don't have parents that are as helpful as mine. now on the other hand most people in their 40's are fairly financially sound, they = have a house with a garage and a good steady job, with lots of free weekends, which would make a first gen much more in their grasp my $.02 -danny albuquerque nm Gang - I now participate in two firebird forums (fora?). This one, obviously, and one with a different format for 3d genners at www.thirdgen.org. Having been on the third gen group for 3 months now, I find that there is a glaring difference between the two. First, both are exceedingly helpful and the people willing to share knowledge and experiences. But, as a GENERAL principle, this group seems to have = "older" people either having families or beyond having families, whereas the third-gen group seems to be predominantly teenagers and 20 somethings. There is one obvious reason - they like third gen Fbodies because that's what they drooled over as children or couldn't afford as young drivers, just like many of us with our first gens. But there is a concern - does = it mean that as we get older, there will be no younger generation picking up our torches for our 1st gen f-bodies? Will they fall out of favor, much like pre-war stuff has done (street rods excepted of course)?
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:02:35 -0500 Heh. I believe he did. Also, I'm wondering where all my 'free' weekends are... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> > You just politely called us old didn't you? LOL. Actually I think = there are > quite a few high schoolers in this group and I have a 12, 9, and 6 year old that > think they are going to get to drive my Bird someday. What they don't know is > I'm gonna make them get their own. Hmm, I wonder if they'll let me = drive > theirs? > > Duane A. > '69 coupe (mine all mine)
(back) Subject: Re: question From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:33:38 -0500 Thanks Matt, I can't wait till spring so I can have some fun with it. :) Good luck with yours, be sure to put up some pics for us all! If = you go the classic insurance route, I do recommend Midwest Classic from personal experience. They use CNA as the carrier, and Robbin Terry is = very good to work with. Mike '68 350 Coupe http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html At 04:19 AM 2/14/2001 +0000, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I appreciate the help. That info will come in handy should I buy the car. >Btw I checked out your website. That's a sweeeet car. >Matt
(back) Subject: 67 drop top on E-Bay From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:27:04 -0600 Is this a list member's car?? Looks very pretty! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5608122= 73
(back) Subject: Re: rally / speedwarning From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:45:51 -0500 I am awaiting my PHS documentation on my 67 to see if the speedwarning option originally came with the bird. I have my doubts that it is original = due to the fact there is a factory tach next to the speedo/speedwarning rather than the fuel/gen/oil lights. I believe it is/may be a 5500 tach = from a Cramaro. If it is not original, I may look for another 120 speedo unit = (or 160 speedo) with proper instrumentation that originally came on car. If anyone has that option, and does not have a speedwarning unit, email me. = The unit is in excellent condition, no fadins, needle operational, and no face = deformities. >From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: rally / speedwarning >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:12:08 -0800 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >I am trying to put together a set of rally gauges for my 67 >with the safegaurd >option(buzzer when you go to fast). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:53:49 -0600 I had a birthday last week in which I turned officially over the hill (30 whole years). They are starting to play the music I grew up with on the oldies station. There is nothing like hearing the DJ say " and another = '80s classic" and then to proceed to play my class song. Saying all of that, I can't imagine a place I would rather be than in the driver's seat of my = '69 Firebird (even if it is still on jack stands). Thanks for all of the = great info. ~Dean Larson Minneapolis, MN '69 Coupe >Heh. I believe he did. Also, I'm wondering where all my 'free' >weekends >are... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> > You just politely called us old didn't you? LOL. Actually I think there are > quite a few high schoolers in this group and I have a 12, 9, and 6 year old that > think they are going to get to drive my Bird someday. What they don't know is > I'm gonna make them get their own. Hmm, I wonder if they'll let me drive > theirs? > > Duane A. > '69 coupe (mine all mine)
(back) Subject: Firebird Parts (Rally Gages) From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:19:55 -0800 (PST) The last few Postings have been looking for 'Bird parts. I know that Rowan has some parts available from his 67 OHC donor. Check out his virtual tour at: http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/ If someone else has already purchased Rowan's, or if Rowan is using his Rally Gages, there is a cool guy out side of St.Louis Missouri... His name is Charlie. He is worth a shot for any hard to find parts... Charlie is at Fabulous Firebirds 573-783-5702 Tell him you're with the FirstGen Firebird club. Happy hunting, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Combining speedwarning and rally gauges From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:24:09 GMT No you can't just combine the two. I had the same idea, bought a 67 speedwarning and a set of 67 rally's thinking I could combine the two. You = have to have a rally gauge speedo face, the rally gauge speedo is different in = that it has both turn indicator arrows at the bottom. I thought I would just = switch the faces but the problem you run into is the speedwarning needle is made = on a little brass gear that goes through the face, you can't get it apart = without destroying it. Everthing else will interchange. The speedwarning housing = has an insulated electrical terminal made in the top and a hole where the cable = passes through in the back(this could be drilled). All the printed circuits have = a small round hole in them behind the speedo where the cable is suppossed to = go through. Everything would work if it weren't for the needle and gear, it = is all isolated with plastic pieces and made on, even the two screws in the face = are plastic on a speedwarning. This keeps it from grounding out, when the two needles cross it completes the circuit and the relay buzzes. Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:33:29 Actually, I'm 21. I don't consider myself "old" quite yet. I never drooled = over the 3rd generation birds...I've always loved the older style and = grace (in cars of course). While the teens of today worship the new Corvettes = and Mustangs, I consider them quite "dainty" compared to beasts of old. Not = that I don't have respect for them and the way the new engines combine speed/power/fuel economy and whatnot, I just have a thing for the 60's models. I think there are some others like me out there, don't = worry...we'll pick up the torch. Matt >From: bird <bird@javanet.com> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: An observation about us 1st genners >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:35:22 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Gang - I now participate in two firebird forums (fora?). This one, >obviously, and one with a different format for 3d genners at >www.thirdgen.org. Having been on the third gen group for 3 months now, I >find that there is a glaring difference between the two. First, both are >exceedingly helpful and the people willing to share knowledge and >experiences. But, as a GENERAL principle, this group seems to have "older" >people either having families or beyond having families, whereas the >third-gen group seems to be predominantly teenagers and 20 somethings. > >There is one obvious reason - they like third gen Fbodies because that's >what they drooled over as children or couldn't afford as young drivers, >just like many of us with our first gens. But there is a concern - does it >mean that as we get older, there will be no younger generation picking up >our torches for our 1st gen f-bodies? Will they fall out of favor, much >like pre-war stuff has done (street rods excepted of course)? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Engine breakin (bit off topic) From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:35:53 -0500 >From what I've seen (you know the factory videos and such) they just drop the engines in and cross there fingers sounds crazy but I'm sure they have it down by now (unlike us sometimes :) ) RonMan
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:42:32 -0500 I'm 28 (and will be forever!) and I love my 68 Firebird...you know I hear all the employees next to my shop (25 and down) what you gonna do throw a big block in it!...I say no and they look at me cross-eyed like I'm crazy, but I also own a 88 mustang convertible..And it takes no time ( or real money) to put that car into the high 11's....I think if I was younger(!)I would butcher my car but for now(and ever) I will stay pure with my Pontiac...Just wait until the hybrid cars come along...What will happen to our precious toys will they be parade use only? RonMan
(back) Subject: new car dyno From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:16:29 -0600 Danny in 1993, I toured the General Motors Assembly plant in Janesville Wisconsin, They built Suburbans, Yukons, and heavy trucks. At the end of the line it appeared the vehicles where run on a dyno, I = just assumed it was part of the testing that was done on the engine and drive train after final assembly, At the time it appeared the Trucks moved through this area quickly, I do not recall the guides narative of what was the purpose of this. Ronman , I like your sense of humor Todd
(back) Subject: RE: 68 conv driver's door From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) Bryan Young writes: >Funny Bob I thought the same (Franks) and he has one and I am picking it = up >this weekend if we can work out the time. Thanks for the info. Is the = conv >and coupe door the same for the same year? My parts book shows that for 1968, the only differences it recognizes are right, left, round mirror, or rectangular mirror. As far as I know, you may have to drill some holes for the convertible door adjuster wedge that the coupes don't have. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM