First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: 68 conv driver's door by "M de Vocht" <m.devocht@chello.nl> Re: New addition by "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Re: New addition by "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Re: question by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: parting, last call... by <NoPinkTutu@aol.com> Re Bushing Replacement on 68 Firebird by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Re: AC or not to AC by <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Re: Rick's First Generation website and address by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Poncho list by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Engine breakin by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: 68 conv driver's door by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Re: Johnny Lighning 67 birds... by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Rick's First Generation website and address by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Re: Valve Question by <Birdm58293@aol.com> Help-Looking for 67 rally gauge speedo with speedminder (safegaurd) by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: question by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Re: 68 conv driver's door From: "M de Vocht" <m.devocht@chello.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:11:53 +0100 Call this number 1-818-834-1974 it's a freind of mine Martin Todd He has several doors I am sure !! and he is located near LA Just tell him I gave you the number and i am sure he will sell uyou one = for a fair price Marco de Vocht '69 firebirds
(back) Subject: Re: New addition From: "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:05:26 -0700 Congratulations, my first is just turned 6 months. Hopefully I'll have a place to work on my bird by the time she is old enough to help. Shawn '67 coupe
(back) Subject: Re: New addition From: "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:15:45 -0700 ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 > 1969 Pontiac Firebird Coupe 400ci auto. needs restoration this is a = complete > car that s been in my possession for 20 yrs. 1969 Firebird convt. needs > complete restoration buy both $6,000. -Contact Information- Rockland, ME > > Wish I had some more money!
(back) Subject: Re: question From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:39:55 -0500 Matt- That depends a LOT on the value of the car. Insuring a classic can be = very different than insuring a late model car. If you have another car that = you drive regularly, you can usually register the classic as a "Historic" vehicle and then get "pleasure driving" insurance on it, which is cheaper. In Kentucky if you register as Historic, you never have to re-register or pay taxes on the vehicle. In that situation it is also advisable to seek out a classic car insurance provider like Haggerty or Midwest Classic (www.midwestclassicins.com) and get AGREED value coverage. That way if the car gets trashed, you will get the full amount of it's value, not some lesser amount that the company says they will pay you. I am near the same age as you, with a good record as well.. so maybe = this will help. Here's some examples of what I've had recently: 1963 Pontiac Grand Prix - 389 4bbl - insured through State Farm at a "stated value" of $2500 - cost about $26 / month. 1964 Cadillac Fleetwood - 429 4bbl - same as above.. value stated as $2000.. $30/mo 1968 Firebird 350 - Agreed coverage of $12,000 through Midwest Classic - = $12/mo Those are dependent on you having another regular driver. Your monthly rate with a regular provider (State Farm for example) will be a bit higher = for a daily driver... depending on what limits you set on your policy and how much your particular 'bird is worth. Just remember, STATED value coverage does not mean that you get that amount if (EEK!) your car gets totalled. Best thing to do would be to check with your regular insurance carrier and = see what they recommend and what estimate they give. If I can answer any other questions feel free to ask.... Good luck! Mike '68 350 Coupe http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html At 07:58 PM 2/13/2001 +0000, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I'm getting close to finding the bird that I want. I've found a 67 326 >conv. here in South Carolina that I'm looking into. My question is, >because I've never owned anything but a little piece of s@!t 4 cylinder, >what is the going rate for insurance on something like a 326? This would >be for a 21 yr. old male with a good driving record. If there is anyone >who happens to deal much with insurance, or anyone that just happens to >know I wouldn't mind a guesstimate. Thanks! > >Matt Schmid
(back) Subject: Re: parting, last call... From: <NoPinkTutu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:18:47 EST In a message dated 2/13/2001 2:12:28 AM Central Standard Time, x1r1@hotmail.com writes: << www.cruzers.com/~rowan >> What kind of shape is the passenger side fender in? If it's decent, I'll = buy it. = Wayne
(back) Subject: Re Bushing Replacement on 68 Firebird From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:27:00 -0800 (PST) Hey folks: I wanted to let you folks know how I was doing with the bushing swap. I took everyone=92s suggestions into consideration, and I thank everyone who replied. The first thing I did was called around to the local Parts Plus shops, Pep girls, Gamboas, and Carquest shops. I found that Pep girls would do it, but could not give me a price... Actually I called them by mistake, I can't stand their outfit. I then called 2 Parts Plus shops by my house. Both are owned by really cool folks, and they have helped me in the past with some old school wisdom that you can only find from these guys. The one Parts + place told me that they don't do that work, but they would show me how to do it my self. The other Parts + place told me they would charge $20 a bushing!!! They said that its a terrible job, and they would just rather show me how to do it my self. $160 for Parts + to do the job. Carquest wanted $70 for the upper control arms, and $20 for the lowers.... A total of $90. Gamboas said that they would rather I went to Carquest across the street :) I must say that removing 34 year old bushings was not bad at all. I did it my self and saved some cash... The worst thing of all was the damn bolt that is hidden inside the crossmember!!! How the heck does anyone get a good grip on that?? I also had one of the control arm shafts fuse its self to the sleve in the bushing ( nothing the old bone saw could not fix ) I am glad that I replaced the bushings. One of the sleeves became a permanent part of the control arm shaft which would have made the bushing function improperly. I had planned for this problem since I had 2 types on each side. I went and ordered new TRW replacements a week ago, so this was no biggie, now both are the same. I wanted to take pictures for you folks to see, but I think the bushings will explain how I did it. You need an Air-Hammer, or a BFH with a cold chisel <5/8">. I drilled the rubber, or what was left of it, out with a 1/4" drill bit so that there was nothing supporting the shell. Then I hit it with the air hammer with a chisel bit. I then took a blunt bit and collapsed the shell almost to the shaft. After that I did the same thing 180 degrees around the bushing. this made the contact area much less from the bushing to the control arm, and I could then tap it out with my small 3 lb hammer. I used a hydro press to get the lower ball joint out, and a socket with some washers and a bolt/nut to get the lower bushings out. Those popped out no problemo. I can say if you are doing this your self, have fun getting them damn lower arms off, and expect to need new upper control arm shafts. A word of caution... I had not noticed this while the suspension was assembled, but the bolts which held the arms to the frame had worn to half the diameter!! A big bump might have snapped these and caused a control arm failure... Not a good situation, an even situation to repare (them springs scare me). Thanks again for the words of wisdom, I might have brought them in if everyone did not hate doing it so much. I think that Air Hammer is what saved me some sweat!!! Talk with you folks soon Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: AC or not to AC From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:32:32 -0800 Steve That summer sun can scorch in Quartz Hill too! Was that your red 68 I = seen parked on 45th West a couple of months ago? If so, it looks great. Who = did your paint? Glenn 67 326 coupe F119flight@aol.com wrote: > > I have an older aftermarket (dealer installed???) AC in my 68 = convertible. It > blows nice cold air. The installation looks easier than factory but not = quite > as nice. I too live where it can reach 110 so sometimes dropping the top = just > doesn't quite do it. I'm in Lancaster, CA so if you are near by I could = "show > you mine." > > Steve > 68 350 Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Rick's First Generation website and address From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) If I owned a Camaro, that might have done me some good. I own a Firebird and need parts for it from time to time. Thanks anyway. Jeff On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:27:43 GMT, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Rick's has a website at www.firstgen.com , you can download a catalog from > the site. They are located in Athens, GA. > > Thanks, > Kane > > kmorrow@socket.net > > > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Poncho list From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:11:19 -0500 Where's the poncho list(s)?? Check out www.badgoat.net
(back) Subject: Re: Engine breakin From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:00:29 -0600 >From my 2000 Dodge Intrepid R/T Owners manual, Engine Break in recomendations, The engine in your new vehicle does not require a long break in period. Drive moderately during the first 300 miles. After the initial 60 miles speeds up to 50 or 55 mph are desirable. While cruising, breif full-throttle accelerations,within the limits of = local traffic laws, contributes to a good break-in Wide open throttle acceleration in low gear can be detrimental and should = be avoided.
(back) Subject: Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:17:16 -0500 John, I don't think it will fit. I think the GTO/Chevelle was a wider car. Also, just because it's a 12 bolt doesn't mean it's a posi. My buddy just bought = a 72 SS Chevelle with a 12 bolt and it is a 2.72:1 non-posi. Still, if it is = a posi it would be a valuable bartering tool at your local swap meet. If the price is right and you have the cash and storage space. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Speaking of Posi's I found a 1968 or 1969 GTO (I dont know which) with a 12 > bolt rearend in a local Junk yard. Didnt all GTO come with POSI?? Will > this rear end fit in my 1968 Firebird? Just like it was made for it. = I'm > going to buy new springs and would like to swap all this out at the same > time. Hmmm...Thanks, JOhn. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Zeller <fzeller@tri-austin.com> > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: From 30 I can melt rubber.. > > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >Sounds like you need a posi and make sure you don't have the back end > jacked up. (this kills weight transfer) Tire smoke does not win races. > > > >Frank > > > >>>> jwern@gw.total-web.net 02/10/01 09:45PM >>> > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >You guys, I just got done with the exhaust on my '68 Coupe 400. Let = me > >tell you. I put MAGNAFLOW performance exhaust mufflers with 2.5" pipes > >starting at BlackJack headers all the way to where it bends over the = axle > >then went 2.25" the rest of the way. It seemed to give it a little = back > >pressure and let me tell you it gave it a sorta real deepish not loud but > >heard sorta like coming from the back of your throat rumble. If you = are > >thinking of exhaust really think about the Magna FLow. It's a straight > thru > >muffler. > > > >It's awesome when it idles you can hear the cam. If I'm cruizin at = 30mph > >and I put my foot all the way on it - the tire spins. If I get on it from > >a stand still it spins all the way from first into 3rd. It dont let = up > >till I do. I need springs in the back though. Or I've also come to the > >conclusion - two people only. Nobody in the back seat. hee hee. Just > >thought I'd let you guys know. John and a bad ass 400 coupe that looks > like > >it's asleep.... > >
(back) Subject: Re: 68 conv driver's door From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:32:12 -0800 (PST) Bryan Young writes: >Had a bad weekend. my driver's door was struck and is dented very badly. = I >am in need of a replacement door as I don't think this one will ever look >the same. Anyone parting a 68 conv that has a driver's door? If so let me >know a price and if close enough to southern california, I'll drive to = you >and pick it up. Just thought I would try the list first before I try a >catalog and pay outragous prices. Thanks. Sorry to read about the accident. Before you spring for a new repro door, try calling these guys for a good used door. Keep in mind that '67, '68, and '69 doors do not interchange. >http://www.frankspontiacparts.com/> Frank's Pontiac Parts (760-789-0669) fax(760-789-0110) 1150 9th Street, Ramona, CA 92065, vistors by appointment only. He's in SoCal so would save you the shipping costs if you can pick up the door. >http:www.bcity.com/pontiac> Steve Hanson (510-634-6012) Steve is in Northern Cal near me. Sort of. >http://www.gmsportssalvage.com/> GM Sports Salvage 1964 Old Oakland Rd., San Jose CA-800-427-9194 or (408)432-8498 Just a stone's throw from my house. Don't remember seeing any convertibles being parted out, but they do have a number of doors and fenders in storage. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Johnny Lighning 67 birds... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:47:36 -0800 (PST) Please do. Let me know. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Feb 13 08:07:38 2001 > From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Johnny Lighning 67 birds... > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:46:33 -0600 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Importance: Normal > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm going to find some up here in the North West for Steve Manktelow up = in > The Great White North, I'll just buy all I can find and I'll let you = know > also... Provided I can find enough... > > I found both in the series the white and the gold. I should have > bought more I guess! > > Brett in Seattle! > ________________________________________________________________ > Ok guys, > I have gone to 3 Targets, 3 Wallymarts and 2 Kfarts and I have not found = any > trace of these. > If anyone out there can pick up a pair of them I would be happy to pay = for > them plus shipping. > > Thanks Hugo > >
(back) Subject: Re: Rick's First Generation website and address From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@ebay.sun.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:44:22 -0800 (PST) Hold on Jeff. Since Camaros and Firebirds share so many parts in common, you can do well by looking at Camaro suppliers and their catalogs. A great many parts interchange, and some of the Camaro only distributors have lower prices than their Pontiac counterparts. Some repro or NOS parts exist in Camaro inventories only, but are identical to the Pontiac part, or are easily adapted. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM Jeff Davis writes: >If I owned a Camaro, that might have done me some good. I own a Firebird >and need parts for it from time to time. > >Thanks anyway. >Jeff >On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:27:43 GMT, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> = ......................................................................... >> Rick's has a website at www.firstgen.com , you can download a = catalog >from >> the site. They are located in Athens, GA. >> >> Thanks, >> Kane >> >> kmorrow@socket.net >>
(back) Subject: Re: Valve Question From: <Birdm58293@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:31:57 EST Thanks alot. This is truely the best place for info. Thanks TOM
(back) Subject: Help-Looking for 67 rally gauge speedo with speedminder (safegaurd) From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:12:32 GMT OK I know it would probably be easier to find the holy grale but I thought = I would ask. I know some exist as I have heard guys on here talking about = them. I am trying to put together a set of rally gauges for my 67 with the = safegaurd option(buzzer when you go to fast). I have a couple of sets of rally = gauges and a 67 standard speedo with the speedwarnig. I thought I would just switch = faces combine the two and whoaalla. Wrong, the safegaurd needle is stamped on a = tiny brass gear though the face. Can't just switch faces, the needle is made on = it and you destroy it triyng to get it apart. I have to have the rally gauge = face to get both left and right turn indicator arrows. Parts book shows a = speedo number of 6481254 speedo head with gauges and safegaurd. Would pay a small fortune for one if any body knows where I could come up = with one. Thanks, Kane Morrow kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: question From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:19:11 I appreciate the help. That info will come in handy should I buy the car. Btw I checked out your website. That's a sweeeet car. Matt >From: Michael Howell <fishgod@iglou.com> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Re: question >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:39:55 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Matt- >That depends a LOT on the value of the car. Insuring a classic can be = very >different than insuring a late model car. If you have another car that = you >drive regularly, you can usually register the classic as a "Historic" >vehicle and then get "pleasure driving" insurance on it, which is >cheaper. In Kentucky if you register as Historic, you never have to >re-register or pay taxes on the vehicle. In that situation it is also >advisable to seek out a classic car insurance provider like Haggerty or >Midwest Classic (www.midwestclassicins.com) and get AGREED value >coverage. That way if the car gets trashed, you will get the full amount >of it's value, not some lesser amount that the company says they will pay >you. I am near the same age as you, with a good record as well.. so = maybe >this will help. >Here's some examples of what I've had recently: >1963 Pontiac Grand Prix - 389 4bbl - insured through State Farm at a >"stated value" of >$2500 - cost about $26 / month. >1964 Cadillac Fleetwood - 429 4bbl - same as above.. value stated as >$2000.. $30/mo >1968 Firebird 350 - Agreed coverage of $12,000 through Midwest Classic - >$12/mo > >Those are dependent on you having another regular driver. Your monthly >rate with a regular provider (State Farm for example) will be a bit = higher >for a daily driver... depending on what limits you set on your policy and >how much your particular 'bird is worth. Just remember, STATED value >coverage does not mean that you get that amount if (EEK!) your car gets >totalled. > >Best thing to do would be to check with your regular insurance carrier = and >see what they recommend and what estimate they give. > >If I can answer any other questions feel free to ask.... > >Good luck! >Mike >'68 350 Coupe >http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com