First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: Interesting item on eBay web site item#552850220: 1967 68 69F irebird by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> 66 RA GTOs by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> EFI by "Garland VanZant" <gvanzant@kih.net> RE: For Sale by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Cam properties by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Floor Jack recos? by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Re: Bill's Birds by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> RE: EFI by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: Cam properties by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: region by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: 400 engine differences... by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Classic Insurance(NEW BLOOD) by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> lighted ashtray ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Bills Birds by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Bill's Birds by <Paddy68@aol.com> Re: Cam properties by <Paddy68@aol.com> (no subject) by <TA4283x2@aol.com> RE: Bills Birds by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: For Sale by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: region by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Fellow Kentuckian! by "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com>
(back) Subject: RE: Interesting item on eBay web site item#552850220: 1967 68 69F irebird 400... From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:00:35 -0500 Doug, I put a tach on my hood using the measurements from Ames. The hole = actually nicks the cross brace in front of the hole (in other words, the tach = should be closer to the nose). The one on e-bay does NOT cut into any bracing. I verified the hole location at last years Firebird nationals when I saw an original one-owner 400 with a factory tach. The hole was in the same place as mine -- at least as close as my eye could tell. Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Doug [mailto:dcharnley@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:58 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#552850220: 1967 68 69Firebird 400... What make you say that? Doug "Trimpe, Bob" wrote: > Me agrees with you.. > > Bob Trimpe > Me thinks the tach hole is not correct (if this is the red hood) you are > referring to. > > Joe Geigel > > -
(back) Subject: 66 RA GTOs From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:31:44 -0400 Little bit off topic (but not TOO far since im still talkin pontiacs)! Anyone have ANY experience whatsoever with '66 RA GTOS? These cars seem to almost have a mystical status within Pontiac circles. Acc'd to pete mccarthy PMD made about 180 or so of these 'XS' cars. Just curious if anyone has ever seen or has stories about a real live 66 RA GTO ? Joe
(back) Subject: EFI From: "Garland VanZant" <gvanzant@kih.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:55:05 -0500 Anybody had any experience with installing Electronic Fuel Injection on a = 400? Have a 68 convertible that needs new carb and intake manifold. Thinking about the EFI as sold by Summitt. Car is not close to = original anyway. Thanks in advance.
(back) Subject: RE: For Sale From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 05:02:40 -0500 Emailing you off the list would be cool if you left your email address. = How about some pics for those of us who are interested 1968 350 HO 320 hp Firebird. Local car that has no rust in the floorboards or trunk. Some body repairs around the rear window which are starting to bubble some. OE interior that is sun faded with console that has the clock. This is a number correct car that still has the factory wheel covers, am radio, and even the local dealer plate. Engine/trans(2speed) / rear end (3:23)have 116k miles on them and the rear main is spotting the ground when parked.This car also has the Bird glass. New parts include: Timing chain rear axle bearings water pump front & rear springs front shocks Idler arm pitman arm Plus many extra parts. This is not a part out.5k buys it all.E-mail me off the list and I`ll supply details. This car is turn key now but, needs a home that could finish the job. I would prefer to sell to someone who will enjoy the car instead of trashing it.
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:34:49 -0600 Subject: Johnny lightning cars From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> I would like to get both of those cars, but live up north in Canada, and have not seen any. Would anyone on the list be willing to buy them on my behalf, and send them to me? - Steve I'll look again, and if I see both of them, I'll get them for you! I'll check one store by my work during the day today and let you know a little later. If you get other responces, just let me know so you don't end up with 20 of them! But I'll look and let you know! - Brett
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:46:46 -0600 Head case/Puyallup Brett, You need a dose of Will, Don and Steve's suggestions. Come to Puyallup = and learn from those wizards. If you can't make Puyallup, buy beer on = Saturday night and invite me tooooooooo.c - Joe Geigel Joe, If I don't get back from SF in time for the Sunday Swap meet/show, (considering the snow this morning!) I'll have to see if I can get = together with a few of you guys sometime soon! I could be persuaded to buy a few beers sometime in exchange for some good Pontiac information! I'll have to hit one of the WWF meetings, I requested to join, so we'll see? Thanks, Brett!
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1744 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:56:53 -0600 Hi Brett, This is getting scary (seeing I'm visiting from Australia). I am staying right around the corner from TGIF Hillsdale and tomorrow morning I fly out to Seattle until Sunday arvo .... heck .... I could have just hitched a ride with you! :-)) - Geoff Swavley Geoff, Damn... That would have worked! It would have been even better if the Bird I'm picking up was running and we could have driven it back! And you could have seen Mike again Friday night and had a beer with us! If you had the time in Seattle there is the High Performance Swap Meet and show going on Sat & Sun at the Puyallup Fairgrounds just 30 miles South of Seattle! Sounds like lots of the Bird Guys up here are going to be there! I don't leave to fly down to SF until Friday afternoon, but I'm sure you are quite busy... I actually live close to the airport up here in Seattle. So if you ever head back to the West Coast (Was it you that said you would be back for a wedding?) Just let us know, we'll be around! I'd even fly down for a Gathering of the SF Birds! Have a good trip Geoff! - Brett
(back) Subject: Cam properties From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:55:29 -0500 I have a new cam for my 350. I laid it next to the older one and took some measurements -- min and max for the intake and exhaust lobes. I saw something interesting. The new cam has more lift than the old cam (max. minus min.), but the lobes are not as tall! I finally figured out that the base circle of the lobes on the new cam is smaller than the old one. How can this be? The min dimension (base circle) should be just small enough to close the valve -- no smaller. If the base circle is smaller than that, all you would be doing is allowing the hydraulic lifter to uncompress. Any cam gurus out there? I want to understand this before I put the cam = in. As always, thanks for the help. Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: Floor Jack recos? From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:16:08 -0600 Thanks very much to all of you who gave your opinions about the jacks!!! This is tryuly a great group of people!
(back) Subject: Re: Bill's Birds From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:42:21 -0800 I was wondering if there was a way we could set up a "list" account with = Bill's Birds. Prices based on the volume the list generates. I bet between 300 = people, we could give him some significant business. I've never bought anything = from him before because he didn't have catalog, but I'm willing to make a change.
(back) Subject: RE: EFI From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:50:35 -0500 Which EFI setup are you looking into from Summit? The Holley or the Edelbrock? I just finished doing alot of research on both and will be glad to share it with you if you tell me which one... Mace 69 350 Drop-Top Anybody had any experience with installing Electronic Fuel Injection on a 400? Have a 68 convertible that needs new carb and intake manifold. Thinking about the EFI as sold by Summitt. Car is not close to original anyway. Thanks in advance.
(back) Subject: Re: Cam properties From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:31:00 -0600 Bob, It's real hard to figure out just looking at the cams. Its is better to = instal it and measure the lift from a valve lifter. Were did you get the = cam from. My Crane RA4 blue print cam looked quite a bit different then = the stock Pontiac cam. Frank >>> TrimpeB@rajones.com 02/08/01 08:55AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I have a new cam for my 350. I laid it next to the older one and took some measurements -- min and max for the intake and exhaust lobes. I saw something interesting. The new cam has more lift than the old cam (max. minus min.), but the lobes are not as tall! I finally figured out that the base circle of the lobes on the new cam is smaller than the old one. How can this be? The min dimension (base circle) should be just small enough to close the valve -- no smaller. If the base circle is smaller than that, all you would be doing is allowing the hydraulic lifter to uncompress. Any cam gurus out there? I want to understand this before I put the cam = in. As always, thanks for the help. Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: region From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:43:09 -0500 Matt - I'm in north Atlanta. What part of S. Carolina are you in? -----Original Message----- From: matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: region >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey I was just wondering where everyone lived for the most part. I'm on = the >east coast in South Carolina, is there anyone else in these parts of the >land? > >Matt (aspiring bird restorer)
(back) Subject: Re: 400 engine differences... From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:49:12 -0500 Please remeber that there soe "optional 400's" in the Bandit car. It had mostly to do with the cams. I have one. But you are very correct in = having 5 holes instead of two. I pulled my 400 out of a optional 400 bandit car. I fit in my 68 like a pair of panty hose (only because of the a/c). other wise it would have been like a glove. John. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brown <jb.pb@gte.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: 400 engine differences... >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I have to correct my first response , I was writing about the motor mount >holes , 68 block only have 2 holes at the bottom for the motor mount , newer >blocks have 5 holes , 2 for old and 3 new style brackets , some blocks >might have them all tapped with treads , some might not , so check to see >that they are drilled and tapped with treads before you install the = motor .. >I will guarantee that there is no HP difference in blocks , the bore and >stroke is the same on all 400 blocks , the heads with smaller cambers = will >give you higher compression , alittle more HP, Some 400 came with bigger >cams that would give you more HP . A 68 400 crank will fit every 400 = block >built up 1979 , heads , cams timing chain , intake , it all interchanges = .. > Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Classic Insurance(NEW BLOOD) From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:50:16 -0500 move. John. -----Original Message----- From: R & P <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: Classic Insurance(NEW BLOOD) >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >You guys do know you HAVE ohave a garage to get the policy from haggerty. > >I unfortunately do not have enough garage to house my growing collection >what to do? > >RonMan
(back) Subject: lighted ashtray ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:04:56 -0800 I was looking at this E-bay item, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5552784= 97&r=3D0&t=3D0. Do all of our birds ashtray's have the slot to illuminate the ashtry ? Was this uncommon ? I was thinking about going to the local bone yard and getting the fibire optics out of a little newer bird and installing it. I remember my `74 SD car having this. Think it would be easy to find. Thanks. Chris
(back) Subject: Bills Birds From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:13:58 -0500 All this talk about Bills Birds is a great lead into my question. Has anyone heard any more info on the "FULL" reproduction quarter panels for = the 68 Birds? I remember about a year ago or so we talked about I belive Classic getting the tooling to start producing these. Has anyone heard? = My clock is winding down on replacing my quarters, and want to reinvestigate the full quarters. Any info is always appreciated. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Re: Bill's Birds From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:09:32 EST In a message dated 2/7/2001 9:27:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, pinec@pitnet.net writes: > was wondering if anyone has experience with Bill's Birds? I see he has > been listing stamped steel reproduction filler pannels for auction on >Ebay, > Is this a supplier like Ames or year one? > Thank You > Todd > pinec@pitnet.net Bill had these made for him. I used to work for him and he is the guy = that supplies 95% of the repro emblems to AMES, Classic, Performance Years, and the rest. He's been around longer than most. These filler panels are = real nice too. I held them in my hand. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Bill's Birds From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:40:55 EST I was wondering if there was a way we could set up a "list" account with Bill's Birds. Prices based on the volume the list generates. I bet between 300 people, we could give him some significant business. I've never bought anything = from him before because he didn't have catalog, but I'm willing to make a change. Bill is a pretty reasonable guy and I'm sure he will be open to listen to anything you would like to propose to him. The only thing that might be a = hindrance to this is that he isn't at all computer savvy. He had a = catalog years ago but he found it didn't really help him much. What he is doing = now is working on his web site. He had my brother build one for him and it is = yet to be tested and approved by Bill. Once that is up I'm sure he can = gauge where his Internet business comes from and make a decision regarding who = gets a discount. Maybe if we all mention this mailing list when ordering it = would help. It won't help me at all because he gives me great prices already. = I worked for him for eleven years or so and he has become a close family = friend to myself, my parents, brothers, etc. I can mention this to him and also kick my brother in the butt to get him over to Bill's to give Bill a test drive of the prototype site. I'll keep you guys informed. Once Bill = likes the site We are pretty much home free since Mace is also a good friend to myself and Bill and his company could host the site, so I will get my bro = on board ASAP and we will start things moving. If you are a person that = needs a catalog just look at any one of the books you have now from Performance = Years or Ames and the rest. He carries everything they do plus he makes the emblems and he has a bumper rechroming service to boot. He even has an in = house classic insurance company that his girlfriend runs and he is forever = looking for the latest new item to sell. He also has repro steel 400 = hoods he has been selling for the last year. They are pretty nice pieces and reasonably priced. He will do anything Firebird related to keep him and = his girlfriend from getting outside jobs. The last time I spoke to him he = said that this is such a joy to him that it is like being retired and working = on a hobby he loves. It isn't a job, it's his way of life. When you call him tell him I said to start on his 68 4 speed 400 convertible. This was his very first Bird and he won't sell it or start = on it. He has let it sit for 10 years without restoring it. I have been on = his case for at least that long for him to get to it. Instead he just did a 69,400 auto convertible with A/C and lots of options. This is his every = day driver in the summer. As I said, this is an Absolut love to him. Not a market to make money on. Isn't that the type of person you want to deal with? He's just like all of us. I or Mace will keep everyone informed as = to what is going on. I include Mace because he is a bit more responsible = than I am and will keep on both Bill and I to get this thing moving. ;^)
(back) Subject: Re: Cam properties From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:07:51 EST Bob, It's real hard to figure out just looking at the cams. Its is better to instal it and measure the lift from a valve lifter. Were did you get the = cam from. My Crane RA4 blue print cam looked quite a bit different then the stock Pontiac cam. Frank You can also bring the cam to a machine shop that has a tool known as a = "Cam Doctor." This machine looks like a crank balancing machine scaled down to = fit a cam and it hooks into a computer. It is basically a dial indicator that will accurately read the cams profile, lobe center, and the rest. = Call around and see who has one. If you live on Long Island my friend has one. = Merkel Racing Engines located in Hauppauge just off the LIE, exit 55 on = the South service road. (631) 234-2600. Ask for Jack, Todd or Scott Merkel = (A Father and two son operation). If you would like to talk to Jack, specify = Jack Merkel, there are two Jacks there.
(back) Subject: (no subject) From: <TA4283x2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:40:07 EST test
(back) Subject: RE: Bills Birds From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:43:24 -0500 Keith, Glad we could help with Bill's Bird's. Yes Classic has has the = tooling for about a year for the 68 quarters. They are in the current catalog and from what I hear they are pretty good. Mace 69 350 Drop-Top All this talk about Bills Birds is a great lead into my question. Has anyone heard any more info on the "FULL" reproduction quarter panels for = the 68 Birds? I remember about a year ago or so we talked about I belive Classic getting the tooling to start producing these. Has anyone heard? = My clock is winding down on replacing my quarters, and want to reinvestigate the full quarters. Any info is always appreciated. Keith 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: Re: For Sale From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:58:28 -0500 Clayton - Youre selling your Car? I have some really great pics of it if you need them. I can scan them if you want. Let me know Wow $5k? -----Original Message----- From: Clayton C Koch <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:03 AM Subject: For Sale >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >1968 350 HO 320 hp Firebird. Local car that has no rust in the >floorboards or trunk. Some body repairs around the rear window which are >starting to bubble some. OE interior that is sun faded with console that >has the clock. This is a number correct car that still has the factory >wheel covers, am radio, and even the local dealer plate. >Engine/trans(2speed) / rear end (3:23)have 116k miles on them and the >rear main is spotting the ground when parked.This car also has the Bird >glass. New parts include: >Timing chain >rear axle bearings >water pump >front & rear springs >front shocks >Idler arm >pitman arm >Plus many extra parts. >This is not a part out.5k buys it all.E-mail me off the list and I`ll >supply details. This car is turn key now but, needs a home that could >finish the job. I would prefer to sell to someone who will enjoy the car >instead of trashing it.
(back) Subject: Re: region From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:32:17 Hey John, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at Clemson Universtiy. That = is in the Northwest corner of S. Carolina, about 45 minutes south on 85 from Greenville, outside of Seneca if you know where any of that is. Matt >Matt - I'm in north Atlanta. What part of S. Carolina are you in? >-----Original Message----- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Fellow Kentuckian! From: "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:48:43 -0500 Forward Message: Greetings from another Kentuckian. I=92m up in Northern Kentucky, Fort Thomas to be exact. Any others from the Bluegrass State? Erich Wagner 67 Convertible 326