First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: SF First Gen Get Together by <hugoba@apcom.com> Differences between 400's by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> seat belt's by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Coolant recovery tank by <hugoba@apcom.com> Anyone have an org. 68 400 HO car? by "MolineK" <molinek@yahoo.com> Re: Bushing Replacement Question by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Thanks to all. It was a very good Night... by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> conv. parts by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: what is the odds by <BHA676@aol.com> Interesting item on eBay web site item#552850220: 1967 68 69 Firebird 400 by <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Floor Braces by "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Re: Classic Insurance by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Classic Insurance by <Porlier68@aol.com> Re: seat belt's by <Porlier68@aol.com> Re: Bushing Replacement Question by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Coolant recovery tank by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Thanks to all. It was a very good Night... by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Re: SF First Gen Get Together by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Johnny Lightning '67 Firebird by <Framair@aol.com> Re: Anyone have an org. 68 400 HO car? by <Framair@aol.com> Floor Jack recos? by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> RE: Rebuilding Gauges by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Johnny Lightning '67 Firebird by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Floor Jack recos? by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Floor Jack recos? by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Rebuilding Gauges by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com>
(back) Subject: Re: SF First Gen Get Together From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:30:41 -0800 (PST) Hehehe. Just thought I'd give you a surprise ;-) Actually, it prompted me to get off my a$$ and fix the problem. Turns out that the butterflies on the secondaries (it has a Holley = 750)(yeah, yeah, I know, POS, but it hauls) were jaming on the phenollic spacer = underneath so I gave it a bit of a porting job and I drove the thing home today and = floored it several times and, viola, the problem is gone! BTW, I put up some pictures at: http://www.bafb.org This web site is brand new so it's a work in progress. It was great meeting Geoff and Dave, both visiting from out of town as = well as Mike and Rowan, whom I hadn't met before. If any of you out there ever come out to the Bay Area, let us know since = we need any excuse to do a get together. Hugo > From David_S_Smith@amat.com Mon Feb 5 18:41:11 2001 > From: David_S_Smith@amat.com > X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMAT > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > cc: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com>, Bob Cisneros = <Bob.Cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM>, > Brady Esch <besch@cardeon.com>, > Chuck Sellers <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com>, Hugo = <hugoba@apcom.com>, > Mike <Mikestacyrachel@aol.com>, ERIC TOLEDO <ert@appsig.com>, > fbird68@ix.netcom.com, geoffs@radx.net > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:37:06 -0600 > Subject: Re: SF First Gen Get Together > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Thanks to everyone in the Bay Area for the great time yesterday. > > I really enjoyed meeting everyone and finally putting some faces with = the names. > I am definitely impressed with the quality of everyone's cars. It seems = like > the California cars have some great owners and beautiful paint jobs. > > You guys have an open invitation if you make it to Austin, TX. > > Dave > > BTW, if Hugo throws you the keys to one of those cars in his stable, I = recommend > that you ask him 'Nice, but does the throttle stick?' 8-O > > >
(back) Subject: Differences between 400's From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:30:20 EST What are the differences between the 400 offered in the 68 Firebird and my = 400 engine (not going for matching #s, customizing.) which is a 400 2bbl = out of a 1972 Bonneville? I'm getting ready to do some engine stuff, and I'd = like to be sure of the differences before I start. Thanks. Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible SteveBrady1@aol.com My Firebird Site: http://members.nbci.com/srb/
(back) Subject: seat belt's From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:36:09 -0800 Anybody have a set of front deluxe seat belt's ( black ) they'll part with ? Thanks. Chris `68 350 H.O.Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:44:43 -0800 (PST) Here is a picture of the windshield washer bottle on my 64 Olds. >From the descriptions it sounds a lot like what you guys are seeing as a = coolant recovery bottle: http://www.bafb.org/MVC-398S.JPG It's mounted to the drivers side wheel well towards the front (this one is = in pretty sad shape) If I have time I'll remove it to see if I can find any part numbers. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Feb 4 06:03:02 2001 > From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:51:05 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Guys, > > I would love to see some pictures of a coolant recovery system that = looks > stock. If someone has something and can supply information on where to > obtain the parts, I love to see them. If you have pictures, you can = forward > them to: rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com > > Thanks, > Roy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <hugoba@apcom.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > = ......................................................................... > > My 64 Olds Vista Cruiser has a plastic bottle that wraps in front of = the > drivers > > side fender that is for the windshield washer fluid. Unfortunately = it's > cracked > > but I'm wondering if this is the bottle that some are seeing as the > coolant > > recovery bottle. Maybe some dealers installed this as a "local" = option. > > I'll show it to the guys tomorrow and take some pictures (if I = remember to > take > > the camera with me). > > > > Hugo > > > > > >
(back) Subject: Anyone have an org. 68 400 HO car? From: "MolineK" <molinek@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:48:50 -0800 (PST) What cast heads came with them? Auto and Manual.... Thanks, Kevin Moline 68 Firebird Coupe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Bushing Replacement Question From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:48:24 -0800 Ray suggests a good technique, very quick if you have a torch. When I did my bushings, I ended up having to replace one of the shafts anyway. If you lower the car at all, wou may need offset control arm = shafts to get enough caster. I cut my front springs 1/2 a coil, and have a max caster of 2 1/4 with my current tire combo. Put little tires on the = front, and 0 caster is about the best I can get :( As for method... set the bushing guide (part of the control arm) into a socket resting on concrete, and hit it harder. The trouble is the bushing is absorbing most of your force. Use penetrating oil. I cheated a = little, and used the duck bill shaped spreader on my port o power against the outer edges of the bushing shell to get them started. If you have a real solid vise, you may have some luck clamping the shaft, setting a big(maybe 32mm axle nut)socket over the bushing shell, and = driving that down. I use a 10LB. sledge, and still have to swing pretty hard. = Some folks use an air chisel to drive the thigs out. Often the shaft will get some scars, but the sleeve is not supposed to rotate anyway(call it knourling). The advantage to the air chisel technique is you can do it on = the car. If you have something that will allow you to hit the edge of th bushing shell rather than working against the rubber, that will be = easiest. Of course, rubber is quite vulnerable to the torch if you can stand the stench. I would purchase a 16" length of 5/8" threaded rod, 2 couplers for said = rod (like a nut, but 2"deep), and 4 or5 of the thickest large diameter washers in the store. Once you have loosened one of the bushing enough to = remove the shaft, use the threadall, couplers, and some misc. sockets, old = bearing races, bits of pipe or whatever as a press to remove the remaining = bushing. Also use this setup to start the new bushig shells in. Don't forget to leave room to insert the shaft. Freezing the bushing shells before installatiion will help them go in a hair easier. Having done it before, I think I could to both sides in about half an hour if you handed = me the control arms, but it will take longe the first time. Install will be far easier than removal. Luck... Rowan *68 nonsqueak poly PS. if your old bushings are as bad as mine were(1/4+" offset)your = alignment will be significantly altered, but probably still not hard to drive. >lee writes..................... > > Hey Folks > > > > I am replacing a bunch of front end components, and I > > decided to replace the old bushings in my upper and > > lower control arms with PolyGraphite ones. > > I know I had read a thread here before about others > > doing this with a vise or something, but now that I am > > doing this, I dont see how it could be done. Unless > > you are talking about the lower control arms? > > I am working on the upper control arms now, and man > > the shaft is difficult to get out. I have put a cap > > bolt into the end of the shaft, and I am bracing the > > edge of the contol arm. Then I hit the shaft with my > > hand sledge, and I am able to get the bushing to move > > 1/4". When I do this though, I notice that the shaft > > is not only pushing out the bushing it is also making > > the bushing guide (part of the control arm) distort. > > I don't think Hank done it this way :) > > > > Does anyone have a more pleasant way to R/R these > > bushings?? I double checked the FAQ, and the web has > > some information on this, but its the bushing > > manufacture giving the info. They just say "remove > > the old one, and put in the new one". Like its a > > watch battery!!! > > > > Thanks much in advance > > > > Lee > > > > > >> > > >buy new control arm shafts and simply hacksaw the old one in half and >remove >the shaft then press out the old bushing. worked for me!! >ray, 67 coupe >www.hotrodder.com/fastolbird _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks to all. It was a very good Night... From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:21:01 -0500 John CONGRATS!!!!! I remember when I first fired mine off stunk like crazy with the headers burning off the cheap paint they put on them and I really believe there is no LOUDER motor in the world than a open header pontiac lol it will give you a real migrain Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: conv. parts From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:57:46 -0500 I have top frame,e mail me and I'll look at frame and see how it is,Larry. ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: what is the odds From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:14:26 EST I would discourage you from blocking off the heater unless its a drag car. = It makes a great little mini radiator if your car is overheating, believe = me I know all about that. Every little bit helps in certain situations. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#552850220: 1967 68 69 Firebird 400 Hood With Tachometer From: <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:25:17 PST 400 hood on ebay. Good underside pic of where the tach hole should be. Title of item: 1967 68 69 Firebird 400 Hood With Tachometer Seller: 1967bird Starts: Jan-31-01 17:05:16 PST Ends: Feb-10-01 17:05:16 PST Price: Currently $305.00 To bid on the item, go = to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D552850220 Item Description: Extremely rare opportunity to bid on a completely rust free Pontiac = Firebird 400 hood with a tachometer and hood scoops. The scoop part = numbers are 13282 RH 9777957 and 13283 LH 9777958, The tach has a part = number of 6469012-L dated Feb 22, 1968. The hood is in very good = condition. It has no signs of any major pitting or bodywork on the = underside, the topside has a couple of scratches from being handled. The = topside is in primer and underside is painted red. This was done about = seven years ago. The tach needle is free and the wiring harness is = complete. Only thing missing is the clear plastic tach window bezel. The = hood scoops have been modified (solid rear section has been removed). I am = however unsure of the originality of the tach in the hood. I have taken = several photos of what I have so whoever is interested can verify this = from the photos. I will pack and crate to ensure the hood arrives damage = free. Winning bidder to pay actual shipping and handling charges from the = ! 14217 zip code. This hood can be shipped either oversized UPS Ground or by = a trucking firm. Serious bidders and inquires only, please. Money order or = cashiers check only. No personal checks. Low reserve. Please email any = questions you have before bidding. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at = http://www.ebay.com
(back) Subject: Floor Braces From: "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:53:12 -0800 Just found some pictures of the floor braces that were being talked about on a thread a little while ago. Just thought that the concerned parties might need to see how they look before they are welded in. See it at: http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~dakowals/Stbrace/Stbrace.html Dereck K.
(back) Subject: Re: Classic Insurance From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:58:18 -0500 Joe- I use Midwest Classic Insurance... www.midwestclassicins.com. = For agreed value of $12,000 on my 68, it runs about $144 a year. Mike 68 350 Coupe http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html At 08:25 PM 2/5/2001 -0800, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey : I had written down and thought I save some web site for classic >insurance site , but I can't find them, plus I deleted all 2700 E-mails a >week ago . So I would appreciate if you guy's and ladies would post some = for >me . The one site I looked up the yearly rate was $265.00 , for all = matching >#'s it was less .
(back) Subject: Re: Classic Insurance From: <Porlier68@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:56:46 EST Haggerty Classic Insurance for my 68 bird. $99 per year for $5000 worth = of coverage. I don't have their number here with me, but you can try looking = them up. Greg
(back) Subject: Re: seat belt's From: <Porlier68@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:58:16 EST If no one has any extra belt's, any idea where I could get some = replacements? Greg
(back) Subject: Re: Bushing Replacement Question From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:14:35 -0500 Yea 'comon!! John. -----Original Message----- From: Slobird <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Bushing Replacement Question >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Yes, take it to the machine shop. > >my 455 is almost ready to pop in and blow the tires off. check it out at >the link >http://members.prestige.net/marcts/currentstatus.jpg > > >tim >
(back) Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:16:15 -0500 Yea I think I could make that work. John -----Original Message----- From: hugoba@apcom.com <hugoba@apcom.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Here is a picture of the windshield washer bottle on my 64 Olds. >>From the descriptions it sounds a lot like what you guys are seeing as a coolant >recovery bottle: > >http://www.bafb.org/MVC-398S.JPG > >It's mounted to the drivers side wheel well towards the front (this one = is in >pretty sad shape) >If I have time I'll remove it to see if I can find any part numbers. > >Hugo > > >> From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Feb 4 06:03:02 2001 >> From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> >> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >> Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank >> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:51:05 -0500 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >> >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> = ......................................................................... >> Guys, >> >> I would love to see some pictures of a coolant recovery system that = looks >> stock. If someone has something and can supply information on where to >> obtain the parts, I love to see them. If you have pictures, you can forward >> them to: rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com >> >> Thanks, >> Roy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <hugoba@apcom.com> >> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:29 AM >> Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank >> >> >> > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> > .......................................................................... >> > My 64 Olds Vista Cruiser has a plastic bottle that wraps in front of the >> drivers >> > side fender that is for the windshield washer fluid. Unfortunately = it's >> cracked >> > but I'm wondering if this is the bottle that some are seeing as the >> coolant >> > recovery bottle. Maybe some dealers installed this as a "local" = option. >> > I'll show it to the guys tomorrow and take some pictures (if I = remember to >> take >> > the camera with me). >> > >> > Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks to all. It was a very good Night... From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:10:31 -0500 I know just how you feel. I fired up my long-deceased snowblower after = working feverishly for hours in my cold shed, just in time to clean up = after our Nor'easter. With 20" of fresh snow on the driveway, not even my = Firebird firing up could have sounded as sweet!!! LOL bird@javanet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Re: SF First Gen Get Together From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:04:04 -0600 Great Shots Hugo!!!!!!!! Darn it, when is spring gonna get to this part of the world already? Joe Rotman 68 350 Convertible Vedoro Green Of Course The Windy, snowy, Chilly, Icy, City
(back) Subject: Johnny Lightning '67 Firebird From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:21:54 EST For those interested.... There is a Johnny Lightning '67 Firebird 400 Coupe available through most retail & toy stores ($2.99) This is part of the extended "Muscle Car Series". Size is your basic 'Hotwheel' size (1:64th I think). Opening Hood, excellent detailing. I've found them in Gold and White so far. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone have an org. 68 400 HO car? From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:28:35 EST From: molinek@yahoo.com (MolineK) >What cast heads came with them? Auto and Manual.... .....The '68 Firebird 400 HO engine came with "16" Heads. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Floor Jack recos? From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:22:27 -0600 I am looking to buy a floor jack and I was wondering which brand you guys recomend? I saw one on sale at Sears, I think it was a 3 ton, for $99.00 Would any of you use only a 2 1/2 ton floor jack? Joe Rotman 68 Firebird 350 Vedoro Green Of Course
(back) Subject: RE: Rebuilding Gauges From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:07:26 -0500 Steve, I just had my rally gauges redone. I learned the faces are NOT painted, but silkscreened. THE NUMBERS WILL WIPE OFF! (Trust me on this one...) precisionpontiac.com did mine, and they came out great. As far as wiring goes, there's some great FAQ info on Geoff's site about wiring rally = gauges (if that's what you got). PS, if you're redoing a standard gauge package, you may want to consider buying a set. It would be cheaper than reconditioning. I happen to have a really nice set I could be talked out of... 'o) Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: SteveBrady1@aol.com [mailto:SteveBrady1@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:26 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Rebuilding Gauges
(back) Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning '67 Firebird From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:48:39 -0800 I have them both. The white one came from Target ($2.99), the gold one I bought from an e-tailer. Very nice detail. Don't spend more than $4 = trying to get one - they are all over eBay. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Floor Jack recos? From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:50:18 -0800 Harbor Freight. 3 Ton Jack. $39.99. Works great and is real low. Use = the savings to by safety stands. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Floor Jack recos? From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:07:00 -0500 I got mine from Sear that 3 ton deal. I 've never had a problem. I even lifted a Big ole moving truck that got stuck in the road down the street. The truck kinda got wedged on the slope of a driveway and the street. Get the 3-ton You never know when you might need a little exrta muscle. John. -----Original Message----- From: jrotman@rms.moore.com <jrotman@rms.moore.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Floor Jack recos? >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >I am looking to buy a floor jack and I was wondering which brand you guys >recomend? I saw one on sale at Sears, I think it was a 3 ton, for $99.00 >Would any of you use only a 2 1/2 ton floor jack? >Joe Rotman >68 Firebird 350 >Vedoro Green Of Course
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuilding Gauges From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:55:01 -0800 I just completed installing Rally's. I nice set of working gauges, new sensors, and hook-up hardware. $300. My stock gauges look like the day = the car came from the factory - but I don't need them now. Al