First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Spring by "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> 69 Short water pump PULLEY V8 by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1726 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: clock repair by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1726 by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1726 by <JGeigel@aol.com> 2400-2800 stall converter for sale by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Seattle area by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Year One Discounts by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Yat Ming 69 Firebird Trans Am by "by way of Geoff Martin, <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>" <WSherr Re: clock repair by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: AMES WEB SITE by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: List Members (was Seattle) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> RE: firebird manuals on cd by "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> what is the odds by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Hey Joe (was: Is it spring yet ?) by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> RE: what is the odds by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net>
(back) Subject: Re: Spring From: "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:25:57 -0500 > > >Dan, that truly is one of the most pitiful images I've heard for a >gearhead! > >All this talk about winter reminds me of my indoctrination to the car >hobby. I lived in Long Island, and my Dad built a garage behind the >house that was a 20' X 25" workshop when I was twelve. We insulated it, >wallboarded, and set up a couple different types of heat - most notably >a 50,000 BTU space heater to get it warmed, and a smaller space heater >to maintain. All restoration work was performed between Thanksgiving and >Memorial day. > >He managed to restore a complete Model A Ford in about 3-1/2 months (a >'29 Roadster w/rumble seat). Next winter was a '36 4-door Convertible >Sedan with a Columbia 2-speed rear end. The next winter was a '31 DeLuxe >A Roadster, then the next winter he re-restored the '29. For a couple >years, he just enjoyed the cars, but in '76 I got married, and he >tackled a '56 T-bird, but that took a little longer (plus I wasn't >around to help so much). > >It was a great way to keep the neighborhood kids out of trouble, as my >friends and other neighbor kids thought my Dad was pretty cool. He was a >kind of Pied Piper. Whether they just visited for a few minutes or came >to dig in and help with some dirty work, it was a great way for an >influential grown-up to connect with the kids. We all learned a ton of >stuff about cars and about life. > >If you are blessed enough to have a detached garage (to keep fumes from >the house) at home for your car, try to make it a hobby shop. It doesn't >have to be big. Accomplish something in the winter! My nephew lives >there today, and he builds chopped/channelled/sectioned lowrider S-10's >in that shop like a true hot-rodder. He's far more daring regarding >sheet metal than I ever was. > >PS It helps to kill your TV - it will free your mind and your time! > >Glenn aka birdman > > >bird@mail.javanet.com wrote: > >If you want the definition of pathetic, it is me sitting on my leather >t/a seats watching "My Classic Car" re-runs Hi Glenn - Boy, haven't I thought about that. My wife says I have "barn envy." I have even gone so far as to lay out the foundation for a nice = car barn, I've got plenty of room for it. But when I can store my cars for = the winter for $150 or so for the entire winter, it's hard to cost-justify. And, the only thing that truly keeps me from going insane is going skiing/snowboarding all winter long with the kids. Just as the snow starts = to melt off the slopes, out come the cars. If I wasn't = skiing/snowboarding every weekend, I'd probably use the money I save to build that barn and = get to work. BTW, I left out part of the pathetic image. Last year I restored a 1970 AMX rim-blow wood steering wheel. I still don't have the car. So how's = this for pathetic? Sitting my my leather t/a seats, watching "My Classic Car," while pretending to drive with my steering wheel. Bring on the shackles, baby, it's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:08:02 -0500 I tell yall what - Just put 'um side to side and see what happens. Let = the big dog eat - Pedal to tha metal - Wompdatas - string 'u out - kick some bootae - Burn sum rubber (no pun intended) - but for real - Comon now we dont need all that. Easy big fellas - close the barn - calm down - Hop in the back Jack - Make a new plan Stan - Take a break for crying out loud. EEEZZZZZYYYYYYYY... -----Original Message----- From: danny <dannyboylll@qwest.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >hey ROY you don't have to call me an egghead bookworm. i'm sorry, but i >don't think that you know me so you don't need to be insulting me. i = would >never insult someone that i didn't know. i am sorry if you don;t like my >posts. if you really don't like what i say just delete the email. or = have >me kicked off the list. its that easy. i thought the topic was an >interesting one i am sorry that you don't think the same. OK... now i = will >answer your example. you have a very good point. and yes my example did >exclude many variables. i am sure that temperature of the tire makes a huge >difference (burnouts raise this) the surface of the road can very = greatly. >but one thing you mentioned was that the surface of the road would = provide >less traction if the small grooves and holes were filled with melted tire >rubber. I have been out of the "labratory" a few times (been going to >dragraces for 12 years) and i have noticed that the point on the strip where >the cars launch seems very smooth from the hundreds and hundreds of launches >that have occured there. so would a car launch better on the surface of >that dragstrip or would it be faster at a normal stop light that didn't have >that smooth surface? -danny 68 400 coupe. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com >[mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of ROY D LUMSDEN >Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:50 PM >To: First Generation Firebird-L >Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >That was another typical "theoretical" response from some egghead book = worm >who has never ventured outside his test lab. What he says is true if no >other factors are used. But, let's look at the history of drag racing. = The >first "slicks" were truck tires that had the grooved tread shaved off. = They >used these for a number of reasons. Two of the reasons were: one, the taller >tires added gearing to final drive ratio and; two, they were wider and >spread the load over a large area to -- gain traction. > >"Huh?" you say, "How did number two work?" . > >Well, let's look at the road surface. It's not perfectly smooth like the >laboratory table, as a mater of fact, it's rather rough and porous. A = thin >tire will spin and the road surface will fill with rubber from the = melting >tire, when the pores are full of hot melted rubber, the surface tension >(i.e., friction) is reduced and grip is lost. However, if you spread that >over a larger area (i.e., reduce the surface tension per square inch by >spreading the pressure), it takes longer to fill and the surface tension = is >maintained longer. The longer you can maintain the surface tension, the >faster you'll launch. Theories are for perfect worlds... not = practicality. > >Roy
(back) Subject: 69 Short water pump PULLEY V8 From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:47 -0600 Things I know about the subject 1969 Firebird non AC 2.5 inch tall 6.5 dia 1973 Formula 400 non AC has the same 2.5 in tall 6.5 dia 1973 TA 455 non AC has the same 2.5 inch tall 6.5 dia 1970 GP with AC has a 2 7/8 tall 6.5 diameter. I have noticed some later model Pontiac's with AC that also have a smaller = diameter water pump pulley. In 1970 Pontiac changed the water pump length and accessories mounting = brackets. It my contention that all the non-car from 1969-1973 have the = same water pump pulley. Pontiac only change the lower pulley and = accessories mounting to accessories the longer water pump. Anybody else have any info? Frank
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1726 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:36:25 -0600 Just saw messages from a few here in the Seattle area and couldn't help = but wonder just how many were up here? I know of the NW Club, but would love to get together with a few Bird fanatics and talk shop sometime... do either of you, Chris or Brian know of anything going on in the near future? I'm in Federal Way, work in Redmond & had a 67 & a 68 back in the 80's in the Bay Area and now I'm trying to = close a deal on another 67' this time a vert! So I'd love to find some local people to bounce ideas off of now and then... Let me know if you think of anything, and = it's Almost SPRING! I can't wait to break out the cars! By the way, Brian, is your 69 Gold? Thanks, Brett (1stgenbirdman) Is it spring yet ? From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Chris' Quit your whining! I drove my 69 to work (Renton) Friday and went home with the top down. Brian 69 conv. Kirkland --- Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> wrote: Are you guys as bad as me ?
(back) Subject: Re: clock repair From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:06:40 -0500 I called to have my Tach converted over to HEI and my clock worked on. 6-8 weeks. Just to let everyone know. They do all of Year Ones - Performance ? - and alot other big companies clocks and Tachs. John -----Original Message----- From: Steve <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:24 AM Subject: Re: clock repair >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >>R&C Tach Shop, Randy Watson (812-284-2555) >2201 Surry Road, Jeffersonville, IN 47130 > - Repair original hood tachometers and clocks. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> >To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:37 PM >Subject: clock repair > > >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> = ......................................................................... >> O.K. all, I remember talking about factory clock's a while >> ago. I just searched the FAQ's, could find the answer I >> need. Where can I have my clock serviced ? I cleaned the >> point's, no help. If I manuely start the wheel that >> control's the second hand ( with the tensioner tensioned >> <<<(yikes ) ), it will tick off 5-10 second's, thats it. >> Anybody point me in the correct direction ? Can an ordinary >> clock shop work on these ? 2- I remember somebody in this >> list saying they "refaced" some rally guages, can it be done >> on the clock's ? Thanks. >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> > >
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1726 From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:26:13 -0500 I've got 5 guys on the firstgen members list that live in Washington. BTW Brett, I don't have YOUR name on the list. If you'd like me to add it, post your city/state, e-mail, webpage, and car info and I'll do so. I've been adding to the members list the web address for their cars as = shown in Geoff's on-line car show. I started by catching the new ones as Geoff announces them, I'll eventually go back and get the current members' addresses. I'll let you know when its complete. The list is up to 235 members! Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Brett Luikkonen [mailto:brett@cisdirect.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:36 AM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1726 First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Just saw messages from a few here in the Seattle area and couldn't help = but wonder just how many were up here? I know of the NW Club, but would love to get together with a few Bird fanatics and talk shop sometime... do either of you, Chris or Brian know of anything going on in the near future? I'm in Federal Way, work in Redmond & had a 67 & a 68 back in the 80's in the Bay Area and now I'm trying to = close a deal on another 67' this time a vert! So I'd love to find some local people to bounce ideas off of now and then... Let me know if you think of anything, and = it's Almost SPRING! I can't wait to break out the cars! By the way, Brian, is your 69 Gold? Thanks, Brett (1stgenbirdman)
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1726 From: <JGeigel@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:38:07 EST Brett, I'm also here in the Seattle area. Brian, Chris and I are all part of the = Western Washington Firebird Club. Over 150+ families involved with many people having two or more birds. My bet is that we have more 1st gen = birds than any local club in the country. Need parts??? Most of mine come from = within the club . See ya Joe Geigel
(back) Subject: 2400-2800 stall converter for sale From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:47:08 -0500 Hi All, A friend of mine has a 2400-2800 stall converter that he bought for a 81 T.A. and decided not to use it. He bought it from JW Performance out of Cocoa FL and paid $140 for it. He's asking $125. He's in Orlando FL. If you're interested you can email him at bigunde@mindspring.com Thanks -Marty
(back) Subject: Seattle area From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:38:24 -0800 Hey Bret, I know of three people up here in the Seattle area. As far as things to do in the near future, the Monroe swap meet is'nt to far away. I know I'll be there, maybe Joe G. will be there as well. He also is a local guy. Talk to you soon. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top P.S. All three of the people I mentioned are in the WWF. Goin up :)
(back) Subject: Re: Year One Discounts From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:45:42 -0800 (PST) I had to respond to this thread. I have spent thousands at Year One... I have spent about a $1000 at Ames. I really wish I would have spent all of my restoration budget at Ames, I would have saved a few hundred I'm sure!!!! Year One never has the part in stock... If they do, play the lotto and stay away from tall metal objects when outside, because you are a statistical quirk! Sales people were cool to me, but prices were always much more than posted in the catalog!!! If you know you have price increases you should print a new catalog. They have been screwing around with prices for over a Year. They have been reprinting the same catalog since '99, fascist jerks! They are milking their loyal customer base for everything the've got. I really am embarassed that I was not more aware of this in 1999 when they started their Next Generation line. I'll spare some space on the list here, in short, I would rather fabricate the part then buy it at Year One!!! It would take less time to get it, and cost less I'm sure. A "Year One discount", is like a smart idiot. There is no such thing. Ames always has the part, and its always been the posted price for me! You can get an online catalog at: http://www.amesperf.com/catalogs/amesf8b.pdf So far Ames has been really good!! Always got what I need, in stock, for a good price, for the posted price. No false advertising here, and no BS "industry price increase" excuses here either! sorry... I had to respond :) Lee 68 400 Coupe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Yat Ming 69 Firebird Trans Am From: "by way of Geoff Martin, <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>" <WSherrow@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:14:11 -0500 Hi Geoff, If you could pass along to the list(www.diecastmuscle.com) and go to the Pontiac page, Yat Ming 1/18 69 Trns Am #Y92368 will be available in April 2001 for $18.00 + 6.00 for shipping. I've purchased from these people before. They are good and reliable. Dee Sherrow
(back) Subject: Re: clock repair From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:27:06 -0500 Q: =A0 Clock Repairing http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/interior/clocks.html Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >O.K. all, I remember talking about factory clock's a while >ago. I just searched the FAQ's, could find the answer I >need. Where can I have my clock serviced ? I cleaned the >p
(back) Subject: Re: AMES WEB SITE From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:30:33 -0500 Sponsor for what? Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >......................................................................... >Try Classical Pontiac, they are the sponsor
(back) Subject: RE: List Members (was Seattle) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:56 -0500 We have 310 people subscribed to our mailing list at this time with about 100 participating in the online show. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >The list is up to 235 members!
(back) Subject: RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:00:35 -0330 Actually the friction caused by the tire to the road is a good thing for speed cause it is the action reaction force that causes the car to drive forward, if there was no friction, you could not accelerate. now once up = to a steady speed no friction would be great...but if you can get your car to top speed before the end of the quarter mile...that would be insane. the greater the friction the greater the power can be put to the tires thus = the greater possible acceleration. Again i state it that even when rolling = the wide tire will be better, once the tire is slipping then the whole thing comes down to weight on the tire and he friction co-efficient. Enough of this damn intellectual stuff though and time for me to go back = to waiting for spring! Rodger 68 350 (stuck in the frozen hell of eastern canada) First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Here's a thought to ponder, All the theory brought forth in this discussion has been about launching a car from a stand still. What I am about to introduce is a whole different question. What happens to surface area and friction laws once the car has been launched and is on it's way down that 1320? Once the suspension has done it's job and the car is off and on it's way, the larger the tire, the more friction. To me that means more friction...less speed. A smaller = tire will create less friction and thus more MPH. Take a look at the NMCA = Super Street cars. These cars are running in the seven's all day long on 10.5" tires at 3000 lbs. The Pro Street Cars are running in the six's with 16" = + treads. These Pro Street cars are also 2800 lbs and less; with 200 more = CI than the SS cars. Bottom line...If you have the suspension figured out, = the car will go fast. Faster on smaller tires at the big end I think. I have = a Marketing degree though. I just call 'em like I see 'em. BTW...The Earth isn't flat? LOL
(back) Subject: RE: firebird manuals on cd From: "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:42:22 -0800 here it is Steve, http://www.locl.net/homes/sapple/68smi.html hope you have a cable modem!
(back) Subject: what is the odds From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:10:02 -0500 my 79 trans am has been pulling to the left for a few days now on the way to town this morning i pulled over and the brake caliper was sticking on the passenger side or my car on the way home the left side did it brakes really stink when they are hot!!! what do you think the odds are of both front calipers going bad that close together????? thanks Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Hey Joe (was: Is it spring yet ?) From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:04:34 -0500 Hey Joe, Have you posted a picture of you 69 yet? Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Roy : Some of the mornings have been kinda cool , 35 degrees , always warms > to 70 degrees though .Car is in the transmission shop , I hope to get it > back by Friday. > Joe > > > >
(back) Subject: RE: what is the odds From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:31:36 -0500 Daniel, The chances of both calipers going bad at the same time are slim, but = I can't say it is not possible. I would first check the brake lines that connect the caliper to the rest of the system. I have had this same = problem in the past. In my case, the brake lines were so dried out they acted as check valves and were'nt releasing the pressure properly. So before you go nuts, check this out... Mace 69' DropTop my 79 trans am has been pulling to the left for a few days now on the way to town this morning i pulled over and the brake caliper was sticking on the passenger side or my car on the way home the left side did it brakes really stink when they are hot!!! what do you think the odds are of both front calipers going bad that close together????? thanks Daniel Ray