First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Spring by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: AMES WEB SITE by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: AMES WEB SITE by "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> RE: 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> RE: firebird manuals on cd by "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: firebird manuals on cd by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> clock repair by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Is it Spring Yet? by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Sub frame connectors by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Alarm System For Convertible? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Sub frame connectors by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: clock repair by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Re: AMES WEB SITE by <PStonebrak@aol.com> RE: firebird manuals on cd by "Roodt DC Deon" <RoodtDC@Telkom22.Telkom.co.za> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by <Paddy68@aol.com> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by <Paddy68@aol.com> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) by <Paddy68@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Spring From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:16:24 -0500 Dan, that truly is one of the most pitiful images I've heard for a gearhead! All this talk about winter reminds me of my indoctrination to the car hobby. I lived in Long Island, and my Dad built a garage behind the house that was a 20' X 25" workshop when I was twelve. We insulated it, wallboarded, and set up a couple different types of heat - most notably a 50,000 BTU space heater to get it warmed, and a smaller space heater to maintain. All restoration work was performed between Thanksgiving and Memorial day. He managed to restore a complete Model A Ford in about 3-1/2 months (a '29 Roadster w/rumble seat). Next winter was a '36 4-door Convertible Sedan with a Columbia 2-speed rear end. The next winter was a '31 DeLuxe A Roadster, then the next winter he re-restored the '29. For a couple years, he just enjoyed the cars, but in '76 I got married, and he tackled a '56 T-bird, but that took a little longer (plus I wasn't around to help so much). It was a great way to keep the neighborhood kids out of trouble, as my friends and other neighbor kids thought my Dad was pretty cool. He was a kind of Pied Piper. Whether they just visited for a few minutes or came to dig in and help with some dirty work, it was a great way for an influential grown-up to connect with the kids. We all learned a ton of stuff about cars and about life. If you are blessed enough to have a detached garage (to keep fumes from the house) at home for your car, try to make it a hobby shop. It doesn't have to be big. Accomplish something in the winter! My nephew lives there today, and he builds chopped/channelled/sectioned lowrider S-10's in that shop like a true hot-rodder. He's far more daring regarding sheet metal than I ever was. PS It helps to kill your TV - it will free your mind and your time! Glenn aka birdman bird@mail.javanet.com wrote: If you want the definition of pathetic, it is me sitting on my leather t/a seats watching "My Classic Car" re-runs
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:26:21 -0500 Danny, let me offer some advice. Your Professor would probably LOVE for you to challenge this bit of info in your physics book. Your comment about "I have to believe it" is rubbish!! Don't believe ANYTHING until you are satisfied that it's good verifiable information. Actually, 500 years ago, somebody USED their common sense to surmise that the earth was in fact NOT FLAT. Then they went out and proved their theory, and theory became verifiable fact. It sounds like you may have also believed a bogus teaching regarding history! Check it out, do your own research, become hungry for truth - it will set you free. Now about Darwin... Glenn aka birdman danny wrote: > i found this very interesting. it is in black and white in my physics = book, > so i have to believe it. well then again 500 years ago common sense = would tell you that > the earth was flat..... :>) > > -danny 68 400 coupe. new mex.
(back) Subject: Re: AMES WEB SITE From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:24:28 -0500 Ames Performance Engineering <http://www.amesperf.com/> (603-876-3345) Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> Mace >Does anyone know the web address for AMES...Can't find it..Thanks >mace >69 Drop-Top
(back) Subject: RE: AMES WEB SITE From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:38:34 +1100 http://www.amesperf.com > -----Original Message----- > Subject: AMES WEB SITE > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Does anyone know the web address for AMES...Can't find it..Thanks > mace > 69 Drop-Top >
(back) Subject: RE: 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:49:34 -0800 You all need to move. It is about 65 here and sunny. Top is down this week and most of the time. But then living in San Diego California, I can do that. Sorry about the winter guys:( Bryan 68 droptop -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Chris Porter Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:25 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Yup, thats winter up here. Brian, I know it was decent, but icey (frosty) out here. NOT taking any chances. Can't even get traction when it's dry :) Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: firebird manuals on cd From: "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:57:52 -0800 they are already on the web for free. I forgot the address, but can find = it if someone else doesn't know it off-hand. tim
(back) Subject: Re: firebird manuals on cd From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:32:22 EST I'd love to have this, and I need it, anyone help? P.S. I am taking my Firebird to my school body shop, I will soon commence = the big work! :) Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible My Firebird Website: http://members.nbci.com/srb/ SteveBrady1@aol.com In a message dated 1/30/01 6:22:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, marcts@ga.prestige.net writes: << they are already on the web for free. I forgot the address, but can = find it if someone else doesn't know it off-hand. >>
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:44:29 -0800 Roy : Some of the mornings have been kinda cool , 35 degrees , always = warms to 70 degrees though .Car is in the transmission shop , I hope to get it back by Friday. Joe
(back) Subject: clock repair From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:37:02 -0800 O.K. all, I remember talking about factory clock's a while ago. I just searched the FAQ's, could find the answer I need. Where can I have my clock serviced ? I cleaned the point's, no help. If I manuely start the wheel that control's the second hand ( with the tensioner tensioned <<<(yikes ) ), it will tick off 5-10 second's, thats it. Anybody point me in the correct direction ? Can an ordinary clock shop work on these ? 2- I remember somebody in this list saying they "refaced" some rally guages, can it be done on the clock's ? Thanks. Chris
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:50:10 -0500 That was another typical "theoretical" response from some egghead book = worm who has never ventured outside his test lab. What he says is true if no other factors are used. But, let's look at the history of drag racing. The first "slicks" were truck tires that had the grooved tread shaved off. = They used these for a number of reasons. Two of the reasons were: one, the = taller tires added gearing to final drive ratio and; two, they were wider and spread the load over a large area to -- gain traction. "Huh?" you say, "How did number two work?" . Well, let's look at the road surface. It's not perfectly smooth like the laboratory table, as a mater of fact, it's rather rough and porous. A thin tire will spin and the road surface will fill with rubber from the melting tire, when the pores are full of hot melted rubber, the surface tension (i.e., friction) is reduced and grip is lost. However, if you spread that over a larger area (i.e., reduce the surface tension per square inch by spreading the pressure), it takes longer to fill and the surface tension = is maintained longer. The longer you can maintain the surface tension, the faster you'll launch. Theories are for perfect worlds... not practicality. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Danny, Are friction and traction the same thing? Those skinny tires will > experience a lot more friction if they are spinning and the car is = sitting > still. Pete > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Is it Spring Yet? From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:23:06 -0500 john you are right that might not go over to good in the church parking lot lol you better think up a diffrent one for sure hahahahahaha Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:21:08 -0800 (PST) I took advantage of the beautiful day on sunday and cruised down to Carmel = and then we went to diner in Monterey. Didn't have the top down for too long = but it was worth the drive. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Mon Jan 29 22:07:22 2001 > Delivered-To: fixup-Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com@fixme > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:52 -0800 > From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Is it spring yet ? > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in > Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go > out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover > every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the > once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love > that sound ! > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top >
(back) Subject: Re: Sub frame connectors From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:20:14 EST Ya, I Do Joe John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:43:02 -0800 (PST) You can also use a mercury switch although they don't work as well if you = park on a hill. There may be a way to mount a micro switch somewhere on the latch = mechanism so that if it's pressed to open the hood then it would actuate (or deactuate) = the switch. I never liked those plunger grounding switches. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Jan 30 14:13:38 2001 > X-Originating-IP: [64.64.148.44] > From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:41:56 -0500 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 21:41:56.0702 (UTC) > FILETIME=3D[77C747E0:01C08B05] > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I actually use a modern version of the pendulum on my hood. Attached it = > with some double sided sticky tape, no holes required.
(back) Subject: Re: Sub frame connectors From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:47:40 EST Oh Yeah I forgot to say the I called summit again to find out about = some sub-frame connectors. And I guess South Side Machine just came out with = 67-69 F body ones, ( the U channel kind) They only had 70-81 before and I asked = if they check and they found a part# for 67-69 F body. So I ordered a pair $130-140 after shipping on Friday and I should = have them by thus. I also looked into headers for a round port motor in a 1st = gen. There A LOT,,,, like $400 cheapest Not equal length and w/ that crappie = black shipping paint. Just something everybody like me has to remember that = wants to put Edlebrock heads in there bird.. $1,700(heads) + $400min(headers) + = shipping,gasket kit $2,200. Also they kid one the phone was a dumbs ass a didn't find out (the 1st = time he checked i.e. put me one hold for 10 mins. if my car was a auto, coupe, sprint of 326-455 round or d-port.) I said " I am looking for a set = of headers for my 67 firebird".... "OK PLEASE HOLD" click " Sir we have Part# 9846985698,54545,and = 54545454521 "It's a 4 -speed car and a... "OK" click So I think sumitt sucks... John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: clock repair From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:44:11 -0500 >R&C Tach Shop, Randy Watson (812-284-2555) 2201 Surry Road, Jeffersonville, IN 47130 - Repair original hood tachometers and clocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: clock repair > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > O.K. all, I remember talking about factory clock's a while > ago. I just searched the FAQ's, could find the answer I > need. Where can I have my clock serviced ? I cleaned the > point's, no help. If I manuely start the wheel that > control's the second hand ( with the tensioner tensioned > <<<(yikes ) ), it will tick off 5-10 second's, thats it. > Anybody point me in the correct direction ? Can an ordinary > clock shop work on these ? 2- I remember somebody in this > list saying they "refaced" some rally guages, can it be done > on the clock's ? Thanks. > > > > Chris > >
(back) Subject: RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:44:03 -0700 hey ROY you don't have to call me an egghead bookworm. i'm sorry, but i don't think that you know me so you don't need to be insulting me. i would never insult someone that i didn't know. i am sorry if you don;t like my posts. if you really don't like what i say just delete the email. or = have me kicked off the list. its that easy. i thought the topic was an interesting one i am sorry that you don't think the same. OK... now i = will answer your example. you have a very good point. and yes my example did exclude many variables. i am sure that temperature of the tire makes a = huge difference (burnouts raise this) the surface of the road can very greatly. but one thing you mentioned was that the surface of the road would provide less traction if the small grooves and holes were filled with melted tire rubber. I have been out of the "labratory" a few times (been going to dragraces for 12 years) and i have noticed that the point on the strip = where the cars launch seems very smooth from the hundreds and hundreds of = launches that have occured there. so would a car launch better on the surface of that dragstrip or would it be faster at a normal stop light that didn't = have that smooth surface? -danny 68 400 coupe. -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of ROY D LUMSDEN Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:50 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... That was another typical "theoretical" response from some egghead book = worm who has never ventured outside his test lab. What he says is true if no other factors are used. But, let's look at the history of drag racing. The first "slicks" were truck tires that had the grooved tread shaved off. = They used these for a number of reasons. Two of the reasons were: one, the = taller tires added gearing to final drive ratio and; two, they were wider and spread the load over a large area to -- gain traction. "Huh?" you say, "How did number two work?" . Well, let's look at the road surface. It's not perfectly smooth like the laboratory table, as a mater of fact, it's rather rough and porous. A thin tire will spin and the road surface will fill with rubber from the melting tire, when the pores are full of hot melted rubber, the surface tension (i.e., friction) is reduced and grip is lost. However, if you spread that over a larger area (i.e., reduce the surface tension per square inch by spreading the pressure), it takes longer to fill and the surface tension = is maintained longer. The longer you can maintain the surface tension, the faster you'll launch. Theories are for perfect worlds... not practicality. Roy
(back) Subject: Re: AMES WEB SITE From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:46:39 EST Try Classical Pontiac, they are the sponsor. Pete
(back) Subject: RE: firebird manuals on cd From: "Roodt DC Deon" <RoodtDC@Telkom22.Telkom.co.za> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:03:44 +0200 Try http://216.62.60.89/detroitiron/MainFrame.htm hope this links is still working... tim wrote: > they are already on the web for free. I forgot the address, but can = find > it > if someone else doesn't know it off-hand. > > tim > > >
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:08:00 EST rlumsden wrote: <snip>Two of the reasons were: one, the taller tires added gearing to final drive ratio Actually, the taller the tire, the less the final gear ratio.
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:25:58 EST Here's a thought to ponder, All the theory brought forth in this discussion has been about launching a = car from a stand still. What I am about to introduce is a whole different = question. What happens to surface area and friction laws once the car has = been launched and is on it's way down that 1320? Once the suspension has done it's job and the car is off and on it's way, the larger the tire, the = more friction. To me that means more friction...less speed. A smaller = tire will create less friction and thus more MPH. Take a look at the NMCA = Super Street cars. These cars are running in the seven's all day long on 10.5" tires at 3000 lbs. The Pro Street Cars are running in the six's with 16" = + treads. These Pro Street cars are also 2800 lbs and less; with 200 more = CI than the SS cars. Bottom line...If you have the suspension figured out, = the car will go fast. Faster on smaller tires at the big end I think. I have = a Marketing degree though. I just call 'em like I see 'em. BTW...The Earth = isn't flat? LOL
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense (Roy) From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:48:28 EST Danny wrote: I have been out of the "labratory" a few times (been going to dragraces for 12 years) and i have noticed that the point on the strip = where the cars launch seems very smooth from the hundreds and hundreds of = launches that have occured there. so would a car launch better on the surface of that dragstrip or would it be faster at a normal stop light that didn't = have that smooth surface? -danny 68 400 coupe. The Launch pad of a drag strip is coated with a certain chemical I seem to = want to call "Gorilla Grip" I could be wrong. If you have never walked on = this stuff you actually have to pull your feet off the ground with every step. Anyway, the launch area is also made of cement. Two reasons here...One, it is smooth and provides the most surface area. Two, cement = is very hard and won't buckle or tear under tremendous abuse (unlike black = top). In addition, the surface of this area is anything but smooth. All the launches have left a "groove" of rubber that actually aids in launching. Have you ever watched a drag race on TV? Have you ever seen the person direct the driver back after he has done a burn thru? The person runs out = in front of the car and uses his hand and arm to direct the driver back into = the groove. Get out of the groove and you will smoke the tires and waste a pass. Just = my ..02 Not a rip on you either Dan. Just sort of agreeing with you in my = own weird way. The key to drag racing is hooking the tires. It doesn't = matter what size tire you have...It is all in the suspension. If you have the suspension working you have won the battle. All that's left is dropping = the laundry.