First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Year One Discounts by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Tom McLaughlin" <thomas.mclaughlin@wmich.edu> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Re: Alarm System For Convertible? by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Alarm System For Convertible? by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Is it Spring Yet? by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Exhaust system info by Jim Hand by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Is it Spring Yet? by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Spring, and Convertible Alarms by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Re: San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Re: San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Alarm System For Convertible? by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense by "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Re: Is it spring yet ? by <Corkyandjane@aol.com> Re: Alarm System For Convertible? by "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> WAY WAY off topic by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Is it spring yet ? by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Engine & Trans removal part II by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> AMES WEB SITE by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net>
(back) Subject: Re: Year One Discounts From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:41:25 EST I agree, Ames is a pure Pontiac enthusiast parts source. Bought d-port RA style exhaust manifolds. Only source that could commit to an approximate = send date and they were a month early. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:48:50 -0600 >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in >Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go >out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover >every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the >once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love >that sound ! > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter?
(back) Subject: Re: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:50:34 EST Danny, Are friction and traction the same thing? Those skinny tires will experience a lot more friction if they are spinning and the car is sitting = still. Pete
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Tom McLaughlin" <thomas.mclaughlin@wmich.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:37:08 -0500 Hey Chris, I used to live Northwest of you on Whidbey Island. I know what you are = saying about the weather, but at least you avoid the snow most of the year!!!!! We started our November and December with record snowfall in southern Michigan. I have to knock down the drifts to get a glimpse of my car in = the garage! Regards, Tom McLaughlin 67 400 convertible > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in > Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go > out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover > every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the > once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love > that sound ! > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:40:35 -0800 (PST) Last week my Blazer was in the shop so I was "forced" to drive the = Firebird. Really enjoyed it. I realized how much more stuff there is to do to it before spring actually gets here. Hope I make the time for it...I'll = regret it later if I don't. On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:52 -0800, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in > Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go > out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover > every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the > once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love > that sound ! > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:45:38 -0800 (PST) Last summer I checked with a custom stereo/alarm installation place and = they have the sensors used in convertibles. I think the place was called Sound Spectrum, may be local and not chained. Check your area. Maybe ask a Pontiac dealer if they can recommend an installer or manufacturer. On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:23:38 EST, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Anybody able to recommend a good alarm system for a convertible? Did = not see > anything on the FAQ's pages. I hear there are interior motion detector alarms > these days. Are they any good? Tilt angle alarms to protect against tow = > aways. I don't want to cut & drill holes all over the car. I'm not looking > for a lowjack just something to scare away / disable most thieves. No jokes > about razor blades and convertibles please. > > Steve, > 68 Convertible > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:51:29 -0800 (PST) Chris' Quit your whining! I drove my 69 to work (Renton) Friday and went home with the top down. It was chilly but felt great! It was the kinda fix I needed for awhile. I know what you mean by though, I just open the inside garage door to check and see if it's still there and if there's anything it needs. Later. Brian 69 conv. Kirkland --- Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in > Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days > to go > out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car > cover > every now and then and take a peek. I look forward > to the > once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you > gotta love > that sound ! > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:41:16 -0800 (PST) Speaking of asking the dealer, what kind of alarm do they put in the new TA conv? Brian 69 conv. --- Jeff Davis <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Last summer I checked with a custom stereo/alarm > installation place and they > have the sensors used in convertibles. I think the > place was called Sound > Spectrum, may be local and not chained. Check your > area. Maybe ask a > Pontiac dealer if they can recommend an installer or > manufacturer. > > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:23:38 EST, First Generation > Firebird-L wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > .......................................................................... > > Anybody able to recommend a good alarm system for > a convertible? Did not > see > > anything on the FAQ's pages. I hear there are > interior motion detector > alarms > > these days. Are they any good? Tilt angle alarms > to protect against tow > > aways. I don't want to cut & drill holes all over > the car. I'm not > looking > > for a lowjack just something to scare away / > disable most thieves. No > jokes > > about razor blades and convertibles please. > > > > Steve, > > 68 Convertible > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Is it Spring Yet? From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:41:24 -0500 Chris, I feel your pain. Here in PA same thing, winter is here and the Bird is tucked in the garage. I did however start it a couple of times this past week since I was putting the finishing touches on my garage addition. It was nice enough to let it run in the driveway, but I will not drive it on the roads with all the road salt etc from the snow. I will too have to = wait until March to take her for a "spin". Oh well. Florida looks pretty good = right about now. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Is it spring yet ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:52 -0800 Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love that sound ! Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Exhaust system info by Jim Hand From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:36:07 -0600 See web link http://www.wauknet.com/douthitt/exhaust.htm
(back) Subject: Re: Is it Spring Yet? From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:17:03 -0500 Well i'll tell yall what, when I hear you guys talking like that it = makes me work harder and faster and dream. But you should be happy atleast you guys can start yours. I'm here in Georgia plenty of good days and I cant get the ignition switch out much less hear it rumble. And I work every day on that beast of beaty. That's all i got to say. Oh I figured out what = 'm going to put on the liscense plate -- "WAXYOAS" -- well mabe not 'cause the wife says; "yea that'll be real good on Sunday morning down at = chruch, I dont think so!" It might just be something like "i-built" or = "sleepin", who knows but again atleast ya got tha plates. So it aint so bad your birds sittin there looking all beatiful and sounding even better. Just chimming in. John. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Donmoyer <kadonny@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Is it Spring Yet? >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Chris, > >I feel your pain. Here in PA same thing, winter is here and the Bird is >tucked in the garage. I did however start it a couple of times this past >week since I was putting the finishing touches on my garage addition. It >was nice enough to let it run in the driveway, but I will not drive it on >the roads with all the road salt etc from the snow. I will too have to wait >until March to take her for a "spin". Oh well. Florida looks pretty = good >right about now. > >Keith >68 H.O. > >Subject: Is it spring yet ? >From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:52 -0800 > > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in >Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go >out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover >every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the >once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love >that sound ! > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:33:01 -0500 Tampa, Florida. January 29, 2001 -- 76 degrees w/ a 30% chance of showers. Gotta love winter in the tropics! Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > > Are you guys as bad as me ? Its winter up here in > >Seattle, car is in the garage. Not to many nice days to go > >out and drive on the weekend. So I just lift the car cover > >every now and then and take a peek. I look forward to the > >once a month I go out and fire her up :) Man, you gotta love > >that sound ! > > > > > > Chris > > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > > 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? > > > >
(back) Subject: Spring, and Convertible Alarms From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:38:38 -0500 For a broad and helpful discussion of alarms for convertibles, I recommend = you check out the following website: www.thirdgen.org. This is a site = that specializes in 3d gen F-bodies. They have great discussion topics = where opinions are posted freely. The topic on alarms for convertibles = came up there. Though it dealt with 3d gens, it would apply equally to 1st = gens. I believe it was discussed in the section for either "appearance" = or "body and interior." In any event you can do a search in the archives = - it was definitely a live thread within the past 2-3 weeks. As for spring, unfortunately based on the weather here in Maine the = groundhog is definitely going to see his shadow and stay under for an = additional six weeks. I haven't seen my 67 'bird convertible since = November, and the only part of my newly-acquired 92 'bird convertible I = have seen since November is the leather interior I just bought (out of a = 98 t/a) to install in the spring. If you want the definition of pathetic, = it is me sitting on my leather t/a seats watching "My Classic Car" re-runs = on TNN. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: 45 degrees and raining? You call that winter? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:25:29 -0800 Yup, thats winter up here. Brian, I know it was decent, but icey (frosty) out here. NOT taking any chances. Can't even get traction when it's dry :) Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:34 -0800 For those in the SF and San Jose area. I just spoke with Geoff Swavley and he's quite excited about getting together with us. He's open to lunch (but doesn't have a car at the moment - he's in San Mateo). But would rather spend this Sunday if possible (he will have a car then). So email me off line on what's your availability and we can get something scheduled. Later Al
(back) Subject: RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:38:43 -0330 Yes and no on that one...i did 3 years of a physis degree before comming = to my sences and realizing i rather computers. once the tire is slipping when roasting your tires(warming them up~g~) = there is no extra friction, but the break away friction with wider tires is a = lot higher then narrow tires, this static friction is not just by wieght as is sliding friction. I think i am remembering right, then again i spent a lot of time drunk in university~laughs~ Rodger 68 - 350 First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... i have come across something very interesting and troubling in my physics book. i am a sophomore physics major in albuquerque new mexico and there = is a paragraph in my physics book that claims that tire width and diamater = has nothing to do with traction!!!!!! AND I QUOTE "Friction does not depend on the area of contact. so those extra wide = tires you see on some cars provide no more friction than narrower tires. the wider tire simply spreads the weight of the car over a greater area to reduce heating and wear. simaliarly the friction between a truck and the ground is the same weather the truck has 4 tires or 18. more tires spread the load over more of a ground area and reduce the pressure per tire. interestingly stopping distance when brakes are applied is not effected by the # of tires, but the wear that the tires experience." i found this very interesting. it is in black and white in my physics = book, so i have to believe it. now i know that a softer tire will grip the road better, and will not last as long. and the springy sidewalls of slicks = will absorb some of the launch energy and release it later when the tire s have more traction, but it seems common sense that a wider tire would have more traction. well then again 500 years ago common sense would tell you that the earth was flat..... :>) -danny 68 400 coupe. new mex.
(back) Subject: Re: San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:06:05 -0600 Hey, did Geoff give up on those cold Michigan winters and move out west?? Or, is he just visiting there?
(back) Subject: Re: San Francisco Guys - lets meet Geoff From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:33:59 -0500 Nope, Geoff from "down under." Still looking at my Firebird in the garage and dreaming of warmer days (forgetting she needs a new heart). Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> jrotman@rms.moore.com >Hey, did Geoff give up on those cold Michigan winters and move out west?? >Or, is he just visiting there?
(back) Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:02:34 -0500 I would think you should be able to mount most of the items with zip strips. The only issue would be the hood alarm since it is a pin switch which indicates if the hood is raised. All others items I can think of are static alarms and detectors. Only need to find a place to get those strips around and not be visible. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> Jeff Davis >Last summer I checked with a custom stereo/alarm installation place and = they >have the sensors used in convertibles. I think the place was called = Sound
(back) Subject: RE: physics 160 book v.s. common sense From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:20:17 -0500 Yes your are remembering correctly. It takes more force to over come = static friction. Once the car is moving the rolling friction is less. The = reason a sliding tire lower the amount of friction is the tire is actually riding = on molten rubber, much more slippery than the solid stuff, but it sure is fun. Also known round here as "MISUSE OF POWER" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: <Corkyandjane@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:34:44 EST Chris; It's the same in central Indiana. Just think how sweet that first = sunny day without the salty roads is going to be. Yes, even a 265 HP 350 sounds good in mid January. The sound bouncing off the three foot high = snow piles that line the driveway adds to the longing for spring. Cork 68 - 350 - Plain Jane
(back) Subject: Re: Alarm System For Convertible? From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:41:56 -0500 I actually use a modern version of the pendulum on my hood. Attached it with some double sided sticky tape, no holes required. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: WAY WAY off topic From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:57:33 -0800 I've been telling my friend about this list for a while now and how info is out there for my car. By chance anybody know of a similar "list" such as this for a `67 Mustang ? I learned a GREAT deal here ! He wants to learn like I have on his car. Thanks all. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Is it spring yet ? From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:14:17 +1100 My bird's sitting in the garage in a zillion pieces. Weather here last week got to 111 F. (I was out in the bush). I try to visualize what it would have been like ......bright red sunburnt face glowing like a bench tested exhaust manifold, white lines in the creases around my eyes like a = cameo bird, sore facial muscles from an endless smile, wind burnt ears too = painful to touch, 400 of Pontiac's finest burbling away, that gentle rocking motion as I sit waiting for the light to turn green, the chirp of second gear....ahhhh.....anyway, maybe next year........just hold on guys, = this (winter) too will come to pass......cheers, Dale '68 Conv.
(back) Subject: Engine & Trans removal part II From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:13:11 +1100 Just thought I'd let you all know that rolling back the body off the = Engine & Trans on front rails worked fine. Now I've got what looks like a very loooong bird sitting in the garage. Next step is to take off the tranny & = then lift the Engine free. BTW I broke the passenger side front mounting bolt. Just snapped off and even after I RP7'd the damn thing every week = for at least 12 months!! Both sides were rusted through to about half the original diameter and my car isn't rusty underneath. Interesting ? Would = hate to hit a decent bump with those bolts. Would have twisted a fair bit = of metal. Anyway, thanks for eveyone's input on this one. I'll keep you all updated.....cheers, Dale '68 Conv.
(back) Subject: AMES WEB SITE From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:48:47 -0500 Does anyone know the web address for AMES...Can't find it..Thanks mace 69 Drop-Top