First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Assembly Manuals by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Re: i rebuilt the carb and now it leaks..[2] by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Re: Alternate Fuel Systems by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Texas area members? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> fan clutch by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> RE: Ball Joints by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Re: Rubber Cushions by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Ignition System Help by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> 1967/68 Firebird grills NOS GM MINT by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Rubber Cushions by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: Shifter Handle by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: Assembly Books?? by "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Aussie 455 by "A Jason Maynard" <ajasonm@one.net.au> uncommon options ..... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> realistic asking price.... by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> 69 bird for sale (POSSIBLY with leather trim code option) by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Re: realistic asking price.... by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: Ball Joints by <BHA676@aol.com> Which fan clutch to buy??? does brand matter?? by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: 1967/68 Firebird grills NOS GM MINT by <Framair@aol.com> Re: Assembly Manuals by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: Texas area members? by "Wayne Crist" <crist@flash.net> Re: Ignition System Help by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: fan clutch by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Shifter Handle by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Which fan clutch to buy??? does brand matter?? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: realistic asking price.... by "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Re: MORE automotive proctology, or how to check your rear end! by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net>
(back) Subject: Assembly Manuals From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:26:17 -0500 John, My mistake, I meant the Fisher Body Manual. I have a tendancy to call = this plus the service manuals my "shop" manuals. Geoff later corrected me, it = is the Fisher Manual that has the detail of body components. I will say however that the Camaro Assembly Manual (this is really just a buch of photocopied looseleaf pages put together like you said about the Chevelle) = does also help because it gives the fasteners and torque ratings etc. when = assembling suspension, body panels etc. I recommend it to any lister even = though like I said it is for a Chebby. If anyone is interested, I can let = you know where I got it. With that plus the Fisher Body Manual plus the regular shop manual, it is pretty good all around reference. Keith 68 H.O. Keith my friend has one a Bootlegged for his 69 chevlle, it's a Xerox copied block about 2 inch. Thick just loose Xerox'd pages is semi order for $20 It's priceless. I have one of the many Camro Reastion handbooks 67-81 with a red 6? and a blue 71-74 on the cover it's O.K. Paraghafe on fenders, one on front seats couple of pics on ever few pages. Isn't the shop manual pretty much just service and maitiance?? The over priced Year one catlog is good for pics and parts to look up. So a Guess this as close as it gets for firebirds. John Costello _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Re: i rebuilt the carb and now it leaks..[2] From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:34:33 -0700 Why don't you just convert it over to an electric choke. Early 80's = buicks had an electric choke that just replaces the mechanical/heat type = module in the Qjet. The one held in with the three adjustment screws. Larry Diede Denver, CO Where part of your salary is the scenery ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Alternate Fuel Systems From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:40:09 -0700 I never have had any direct experience with the Holly system. = But....around the off-road/4 wheeling circles, they have a reputation of = not being a very good product. The problem seems to be that they are = always out of tune. To the point that those I know who do run them carry = a spare setup just to make sure they make it home. I guess I would look = for another way to go. Che@vy/ GM set up perhaps. Larry Diede Denver, CO Where part of your salary is the scenery ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Texas area members? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:44:28 -0600 Scott, There is supposed to be a big swap meet in Conroe on 17 February. Have you = heard anything Frank >>> cscottfergus@earthlink.net 01/25/01 11:10PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Houston TX 1967 400 Conv. 1989 Formula 350 Scott
(back) Subject: fan clutch From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:24:43 +0100 Hi guys, I just bought a new fan clutch and i wonder if it should be painted or left natural? If painted what color? thanks /Niklas
(back) Subject: RE: Ball Joints From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:13:50 -0600 John, The upper ones are riveted, the lower ones are pressed. Thanks, ~Dean Dean are you sure it's a not factory ball joint, they were riveted on. Than you just drill the heads off or chisel heads off. This is just what came to mind. John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Rubber Cushions From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:47:52 -0500 Yes. They did come with a rubber center piece. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of Geoff Martin, <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>" <Paddy68@aol.com> To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: Re: Rubber Cushions > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm trying to find out more about the rubber cusions that > go between the outer headlight bezels and the fenders on '69 birds. > > It looks to me like there originally were 3 pieces here. One on > each size behind the outer headlight bezels, and a middle one that > goes behind the fiberglass piece behind the bumper. I called > Ames today and they said that the two outer ones are being reproduced > and should be available for approx $75 each in 1-2 months. However, > they didn't seem to know anything about the center strip one, and > I can't find it in any catalogs. > > Does anyone know of a place to buy this piece? And am I nuts? They > DID come with a piece ther right? > > Steve Lothridge > > > Steve, > It sounds like you're talking about the "Chevron" that goes in between > the > two headlight bezels. When I worked for Bills Birds he was buying repro > pieces. That was seven years ago so I'm not sure if they are still > available > but give him a call. (631) 667-3853. I know they are hard to come by > used. > They were very brittle and would crack whenever the front bumper took a > little hit. Good luck. Pat A > >
(back) Subject: Ignition System Help From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:03:36 -0500 Hi All, I'm building up a 455 and need some more help. Can someone help me out = with ignition system selection? I'm going for most performance without sacrificing often street driving. Don't know how much detail is relevant so I'm going to list everything: 67 firebird, 73 455, edelbrock performer rpm intake, edelbrock 750cfm carb, 6x4 heads, compcams xe274h 230/236 = @.050, and 1.52 roller rockers. Thank You! -Marty
(back) Subject: 1967/68 Firebird grills NOS GM MINT From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:06:43 -0800 $450 bucks!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5492527= 74&r=3D0&t=3D0
(back) Subject: Re: Rubber Cushions From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:29:53 -0500 I just received the two rubber 69 cushions from Classic Industries for $69 each plus tax and shipping, etc. They look real nice. The nose filler = peice is in the Ames catalog http://www.amesperf.com/catalogs/amesf8b.pdf on = page 31. I was about to order this myself. I was going to ask if it came with = the rubber filler peice. They said they didn't have that anymore? I've seen = one on E-bay, but this bid was over $100! Ouch. If anyone knows another place = to find the nose filler peice - let us know. Thanks, Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: <geebjen@att.net> To: "Firebird List" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: Rubber Cushions > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm trying to find out more about the rubber cusions that > go between the outer headlight bezels and the fenders on '69 birds. > > It looks to me like there orignally were 3 pieces here. One on > each size behind the outer headlight bezels, and a middle one that > goes behind the fiberglass piece behind the bumper. I called > Ames today and they said that the two outer ones are being reproduced > and should be available for approx $75 each in 1-2 months. However, > they didn't seem to know anything about the center strip one, and > I can't find it in any catalogs. > > Does anyone know of a place to buy this piece? And am I nuts? They > DID come with a piece ther right? > > Steve Lothridge > >
(back) Subject: Re: Shifter Handle From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:36:18 -0500 I have the correct shifter knob and button, but they are not held on by anything and the button falls out all the time. Must be a missing retainer clip or something. Anyone know where to get the parts or how to fix this? Thanks, Jeff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Shifter Handle > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Sounds like what I have on my '68 automatic. I finally glued the = plastic > part onto the shifter pole since it never wanted to stay. > > Geoff > '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible > <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> > <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > > William Hewitt > > >a shifter handle (both the metal lower piece and the plastic top piece) > >since when I purchased my car it had none. The plastic top doesn't sit > >too well since the shifter pole has an indent where the lower metal = piece > >of the handle screws in. I am also not real happy with the look of the > >plastic. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: Re: Assembly Books?? From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:30:05 -0600 I found a 68 Fisher manual on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5482165= 53& r=3D0&t=3D0 Stumann
(back) Subject: Aussie 455 From: "A Jason Maynard" <ajasonm@one.net.au> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:30:43 +0800 Hey Aussie! Anyone have a 455 Pontiac engine available? They're scarce in the West. Thanks, Jason Perth
(back) Subject: uncommon options ..... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:53:11 -0800 Mine came with tilt and speed warning ( PHS ). This may be a laugher but,............... anyone know where a speedwarning for a `68 is ? Haven't asked for a while and thought I'd check. Thanks. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: realistic asking price.... From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:57:42 -0400 ok gang, heres a funny one...(its an actual ad on traderonline.com) 69 Pontiac FIREBIRD, CONV nearly half a million dollars invested, was canadian salt truck supervisors follow up car, rusty frame, (also wrecked several times), non original engine, Amc pacer 6 cylinder engine, knocks and smokes, needs some assembly,mostly complete, roof cut off to make convertible, NO top, NO air, turns stomach's not heads, must sell to pay off car loan of $154 book, price is firm, $159,500. firm (727)804-5436 oop's i turned down $188,750. at a car show (727) 847-1615
(back) Subject: 69 bird for sale (POSSIBLY with leather trim code option) From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:43:07 -0400 guys fyi...i know nothing more than whats below PLUS the fact he is sure the car came with LEATHER interior...if true a very rare car indeed...please contact him if you are interested... have fun! joe ---- From: "Jacque Sylvester" <sylveste@flash.net> Subject: Thanks for your response Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:41:46 -0600 1969 firebird 400... The engine is from a 1971 Firebird code YX. It has been completely redone from top to bottom. The engine has been chimical dipped and has a very slight overbore. The block and heads are stock, but everything else is new . I have spared no expense the motor has some hiperf parts but no mods. The body has a fresh coat of blue paint and has no rust or bondo. It does not have a posi, however it does has p/s p/b 3spd auto, consol, tach, white leather, black carpet, in the trunk new weatherstripping everywhere good tires and is a gorgeous car. The only things that i know are missing are parking lights, headliner(I have this but do not know how to put it in)and the plastic that goes around the headlights is the wrong color
(back) Subject: Re: realistic asking price.... From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:03:35 EST A mechanics special if I ever heard of one, it is very....unique. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: Ball Joints From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:08:19 EST you can buy new upper control arms with new ball joints riveted on as from = factory I saw a ad in a car magazine this month or last. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Which fan clutch to buy??? does brand matter?? From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:13:13 EST I need to buy a new one as im not sure if my old one is working properly. = Does anyone sell a super thermostatic hd fan clutch?? I know of the = regular and hd versions but not if there are any better ones out there. Also what = can i expect to pay?? Ive seen them in yr1 for over a hundred is this just = their price gouging or better quality or both? brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: 1967/68 Firebird grills NOS GM MINT From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:18:09 EST From: amr@appsig.com (AL ROJAS) >$450 bucks!!! ....These grills have not been discontinued for that long; many were bought up by the secondary 'dealers' (investors ?). As for used, there are plenty available and even the worst of cracks can be repaired. Chrome trim is being reproduced or can be replated. Only reason to spend this kind of money on grills is one has an unlimited supply of cash and/or is restoring a car that they will never get their money out of. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Re: Assembly Manuals From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:21:41 EST I read that one of the writers or editors of HPPor maybe PHS has a = partial assembly book for a 67 firebird. Maybe jim mattison or some similar name. = It was in a article about a 67 ram air coupe color plum mist. I think = march last year. I actually sent mail awhile back to him about the # of plum = mist firebirds in 67 and he said pontiac didnt count the number of cars in any color for that year at least. Actually now that i think about it I got in = contact with him thought the PHS web site. I dont know if he is willing = to part with the information but apparently his car is 99 pts out of 100 and = im not sure if there are more than a very few 100 pt cars in existence. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: Texas area members? From: "Wayne Crist" <crist@flash.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:33:48 -0600 I on the north side of San Antonio. Wayne 69 FB 78 TA
(back) Subject: Re: Ignition System Help From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:56:15 -0500 If your body bushings are in good shape and the frame is aligned, you = should have room for an factory HEI ignition. I had on in my 69 coupe. Combined with a hotter aftermarket coil like Acell, this is a nice inexpensive alternative to a complete high performance distributor like the ones you = can see in performance magazines. You can spend a lot more money if you want. Just order a catalog from Summit and let your check book me your = conscience. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> To: "'First Generation Firebird-L'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Ignition System Help > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hi All, > > I'm building up a 455 and need some more help. Can someone help me out with > ignition system selection? I'm going for most performance without > sacrificing often street driving. Don't know how much detail is = relevant > so I'm going to list everything: 67 firebird, 73 455, edelbrock = performer > rpm intake, edelbrock 750cfm carb, 6x4 heads, compcams xe274h 230/236 @.050, > and 1.52 roller rockers. > Thank You! > -Marty > >
(back) Subject: Re: fan clutch From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:57:44 -0500 The clutch itself should be left natural. To help prevent oxidation, I = like to use a light coat of satin clear. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: fan clutch > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Hi guys, I just bought a new fan clutch and i wonder > if it should be painted or left natural? > If painted what color? > > thanks > /Niklas > >
(back) Subject: Re: Shifter Handle From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:01:01 -0500 If your shifter uses the ball with the button on top, there is an internal "C" clip that holds it on. The button itself uses a small clip that kind = of just snaps onto the detent shaft. Hope this helps, Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Shifter Handle > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I have the correct shifter knob and button, but they are not held on by > anything and the button falls out all the time. Must be a missing = retainer > clip or something. Anyone know where to get the parts or how to fix = this? > Thanks, Jeff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: Shifter Handle > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > .......................................................................... > > Sounds like what I have on my '68 automatic. I finally glued the plastic > > part onto the shifter pole since it never wanted to stay. > > > > Geoff > > '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible > > <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> > > <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > > > > William Hewitt > > > > >a shifter handle (both the metal lower piece and the plastic top = piece) > > >since when I purchased my car it had none. The plastic top doesn't = sit > > >too well since the shifter pole has an indent where the lower metal piece > > >of the handle screws in. I am also not real happy with the look of = the > > >plastic. > >
(back) Subject: Re: Which fan clutch to buy??? does brand matter?? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:07:51 -0600 I haven't purchase one in a long time. It looks like Ames sells them. I = prefer the ones the have the hole vs the slots for the water pump bolt = connections >>> BHA676@aol.com 01/26/01 04:13PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I need to buy a new one as im not sure if my old one is working properly. Does anyone sell a super thermostatic hd fan clutch?? I know of the = regular and hd versions but not if there are any better ones out there. Also what can i expect to pay?? Ive seen them in yr1 for over a hundred is this just = their price gouging or better quality or both? brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: realistic asking price.... From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:32:50 -0500 Some people have nothing better to do...Especially since its free to put = ads in on internet. Ron
(back) Subject: Re: MORE automotive proctology, or how to check your rear end! From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:20:37 -0500 Tom Sexton wrote: > > Glenn, Do they list a part number and description for the RA V. I would = be > very intrested. > Thanks > Tom Sexton Hey Tom. I came across this email when starting to "clean house", electronically, that is. (I just signed off the job-related GMCnet; those 100 emails a day of mostly chatty retired folks were severely cutting into my time.) I took a peek at the parts book, and while there are a few RA V specific parts, I was surprised at the ones that were the same. If you're still interested, I'll try to find most of them. Since my parts book is July 1969, it's usually quite near the end of a section. Tedious, yes, but I'll highlight a bit if you want me to. What gets me, besides Frank Zeller's mentioning a very late 1969 model axle bearing/housing production change (probably well into '70 production for the rest of Pontiac), is there is no mention of a "Nodular Iron" axle housing. The 69 Trans Am I sold had a big "N" raised above the pinion (I haven't gone very public with this fact yet), but there's no mention of it in my parts book. Curiousity has me wanting to know if your RA V is equipped with such a thing. If somebody has a later book, maybe I'll get it checked out, but I want to try to keep that in a small circle of folks until I can back it up with more documentation. That TA was built about the same time my book was printed, so maybe a later edition has a listing. In fact, there is only one housing for each year (3 total) listed in my book. I also wonder if my 1969 Sprint convertible had a similar rear end, as it was also a 3.55:1 posi. I've mentioned before that when my Dad first owned this car, he traded the original rear end complete with the springs to a 68 Camaro owner who swore the 'bird had his desired 4.11 ratio and posi. My Dad wanted the Mono-Plate/3.08/open ratio combo that was in the Camaro, and the guy did the swap for the deal. I've been searching for a reasonably priced early '69 ZH rear ever since, dated before my convertible's 12/17/68 build date. Glenn aka birdman