First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Coolant recovery tank by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Re: Hood Tach Dead ! by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Sub frame connectors by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Sub frame bushing by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: Insurance by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Re: Re: 77 and later 400s by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: INSURANCE!!!! by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Assembly Books?? by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> More on TVS by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Coolant recovery tank by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Dash trim plate / Radio by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: A/C and Green Wire by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> FW: Rims and Tires by "Doug Nolte" <dnolte@mortgageselect.com> FW: Rims and Tires by "Doug Nolte" <dnolte@mortgageselect.com> Full Tank of Gas -- Pee-yew! by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> 69 firebird for sale (not running) by "Lance Costanzo" <lance@costanzo.net> Ball Joints by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Re: 69 firebird for sale (not running) by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Fw: Spin the rust basket! 1 by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Re: hood tach by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Re: Full Tank of Gas -- Pee-yew! by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Re: Assembly Books?? by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Coolant recovery tank by "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Re: Sub frame connectors by <NoPinkTutu@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:33:27 -0800 (PST) John, I'm sorry i don't have any of the puke can in my files... i could take = some today, but i'm off to chattanooga for two days (business). If you can = wait a couple of days i'll take pictures when i get back. Thanks Attila (does anybody mind if i email it to the list??) ................................................................... > Attila, I'd love to see mone pics. Thanks. I'd like to do it now. before I get this puppy out the shoot. Thanks John. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Re: Hood Tach Dead ! From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:31:32 -0600 I have the tech repair bulletin and a good tach driver module that works = with point type ignitions. The tachometer meter is just a mil amp meter. = HEI will not run the tach or the MSD. I deleted the first email and do = not have your email adders to sent the Tech bulletin to. Peter at = Precision Pontiac can help. Be prepared to pay around 100 to get it = fixed. Peter Serio 2719 Columbus Ave. Columbus, OH 43209. 614-258-3500 email peter.serio@gte.net Frank
(back) Subject: Re: Sub frame connectors From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:33:09 -0600 John, Summit sells them. I would like to find out how it goes. Plan on adding = them to my car. Frank >>> Studderin@aol.com 01/22/01 10:27PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Could anybody please reomand a good set of sub frame connetors?? I can't = seem to find a set of weld in ones, that don't need to move the front of = the leaf spings or cut the floor up.. John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Sub frame bushing From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:36:43 -0600 I like them. Tighten the car up but they transfer a lot of road noise. Frank >>> Studderin@aol.com 01/22/01 10:22PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I was wounding anybody ever use polygrifite or polyurethane body = bushings? The car is a 67 hardtop 455 4-speed. I got a complete polygrifite front = suspention kit but I'm changing my mind ever day to return it for the = rubber set. The car will be a steet weekend driver, and also drag raced.
(back) Subject: RE: Insurance From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:28:44 -0500 Whatever you decide, read the policy carefully. While the agent can give = you all the advice in the world, in most states the agent has no = responsibility (and therefore liability) for your decisions. It is your = responsibility to read the policy language - not rely on the agent or the = brochure to tell you what you're purchasing. Not all these policies cover what you think they cover. For example, when = you get a 'stated value' policy, you might assume that they will pay you = that figure if the vehicle is totalled or stolen. Nope. Usually this = means that the company has capped the amount they will pay you, but they = reserve the right to argue that the vehicle was really worth less than = that. They also often reserve the right to fight you on what it means to = "restore" your car back to its original value and condition. Regular updated appraisals, photographs, and documentation is critical. = Have knowledgeable people look your car over at shows and cruise nights so = that, if you need to take your insurance company to court, you have = witnesses to the car's condition (and even value) just before the loss = occurred. I went through this several years ago. I know from experience. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Re: Re: 77 and later 400s From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:31:15 -0700 John, Now that you mention it the engines I saw in the later 77 &78 Pontiacs = could have been Olds 403s. Can you shed any light on the newer, better = crankshaft rumor? Meanwhile I guess I'll just keep prowling the salvage yards. Larry Diede Denver, CO Where part of your salary is the scenery ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: INSURANCE!!!! From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:06:08 -0800 (PST) Ron, I currently have my 69 conv. insured through Haggerty. Cost $140 / year. Full coverage with agreed upon car value of $15,000. I can drive the car as many miles as I like, it just has to be for pleasure driving, not for work transportation. I went through my Independant agent and CNA insure comp. I have had no claims for it so I can't speak for their service, but they do accept my money. Brian 69 conv. --- R & P <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hey guys, > > I need to get my 72 Convertible Mustang off my > regular insurance and put > it on some "Retirement Insurance" I want to get > classic car insurance but > don't seem to know where to start, Could you guys > help? > > And please tell me the experiences you've had..I'd > go to the archives but I > really need fresh info. > > Thanks Ron > > 72 Convertible Mustang > 68 Firebird > 88 Mustang > In search of---> 79 Trans Am 10th Ann. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Assembly Books?? From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:09:04 -0500 John: Those "books" are called the Factory Assembly Manuals. There has been threads on this in the past, and here is what I believe is the current situation on these. Copies of the 1967 and 1968 Assembly manuals have = been "rumored" to be around, although many of us on the list have been looking for them for a couple of years and so far copies have not turned up. 1969 = Assembly manuals are readily available in major catalogs like YO, Ames = etc. Maybe this is a good time to recheck the list, but I would not be = optomistic about finding one. The other major reference manual for assembling is the = shop manual. This is not nearly the detail that the Assembly manual is, = but it helps a ton. The thing I did was purchase a Camaro (I know.....taboo = but the only option) Assembly manual. It is not exact especially with = interior, trim, etc. but it gives you good info on suspension, major body panels and = so on. If anyone has dug up any of the 67 or 68 assembly manuals, please..please let us know. Hope this helps. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Assabley books???FB From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:41:12 EST I was look for one of these assembly line workers ( sheets ) books If = seen them for other cars and can't find on for a 67 FB. They have all the info the the assembly line works had on building they whole car every bolt, lube, toque spec. Could someone recommend a similar manual. My 67 is almost completely dissemble, and It's not that I'm afraid that I'll forget how to reassembly it, but it was missing a lot of bolts and = had a lot of nut&bolt hardware store stuff,, you know the drill..... It's = not a 100% resto but I was look for a better book than the ( The sub-frame = is removed by 4 bolts....remove them). thanks John Costello _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: More on TVS From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:24:39 -0600 The 1971 Pontiac Service manual has the TVS listed for a 455 HO and it = allows full vacuum to the vacuum advance when the motor is above 230 F. = This valve has more plugs than the early one. I will look in the 1967 = manual.
(back) Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:55:21 -0800 Mine is a CA built '68 and didn't have a tank. I added one in front of = the radiator on the passenger side. I can remove it or fill it no problem. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Dash trim plate / Radio From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:17:37 -0800 Steve, It takes quite a bit to get a Din radio in. I doubt you'll like the = results. The angle of the dash slopes so much that the Din radio really has no way = to secure itself in the front without making up some custom brackets. I suspect the reason you want this is to have an in-dash CD player. There = are some other options. Swap the factory radio for a dual shaft radio and add = a remote CD player in the trunk. This will minimize the treat of theft. Or install a "hidden" radio/CD player with a wired remote. You're factory = radio stays in the dash keeping that "all stock" look of the car, yet you get = great sound. If your dask is already butchered, not to worry. You can make up some brackets to re-mount your factory or aftermarket radio. The dash bezel = will cover your handy work just fine and the results will look clean. Al
(back) Subject: Re: A/C and Green Wire From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:50:51 -0500 John, I have a green wire that is the "hot" side of the compressor clutch. Hope that helps. Bob Trimpe John Wern wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Could someone with A/C please look at their car and tell me what the = green > wire coming from the A/C harness goes to? > > --------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: FW: Rims and Tires From: "Doug Nolte" <dnolte@mortgageselect.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:04:59 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Nolte > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:53 AM > To: 'firebird-l@oakmediacreations.com' > Subject: Rims and Tires > > Group -I have to special order rims and tires for my stock ' 67 400 > coupe... Someone posted that they have 255/50/16 on 16x8's with a 4.25" > backspace on back... and 225/50/16 on 16x7's with the same 4.25" on > front.... With NO rubs... Can anyone PLEASE verify this before I order > them??? I'll be ordering Centerlines from Summit... probably 15x8 and = 15x7 > but they re only availble in 4" or 41/2" increments.... I thought 4.5" > backspace was needed on back and 4.5" on front... Now Im confused... = HELP > !!! > > Doug Nolte > Mortgageselect, a publicly traded company (AHMH)NASDAQ > Office: 800-860-4065 ext. 130 > fax: 949-540-0421 > efax: 603-297-1287 >
(back) Subject: FW: Rims and Tires From: "Doug Nolte" <dnolte@mortgageselect.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:16:02 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Nolte > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:56 AM > To: 'firebird-l@oakmediacreations.com' > Subject: FW: Rims and Tires > > > [Doug Nolte] -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Nolte > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:53 AM > To: 'firebird-l@oakmediacreations.com' > Subject: Rims and Tires > [Doug Nolte] OK - I just need to know what backspace is best on front of = a 67 400 coupe...4" or 41/2"??? with 15x7's or 16x7's ... there are no rims = or tires on the car to measure...PLEASE HELP !!! > Doug Nolte > Mortgageselect, a publicly traded company (AHMH)NASDAQ > Office: 800-860-4065 ext. 130 > fax: 949-540-0421 > efax: 603-297-1287 >
(back) Subject: Full Tank of Gas -- Pee-yew! From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:13:15 -0800 (PST) Every time I fill the gas tank and then park in the garage, gas fumes FILL the entire basement and eventually seep into the house. My initial = thought on it is that there must be a hole in the side of the tank, near the top. If I remove the tank and find no hole upon inspection, what other possibilities might there be to cause the fumes to escape? What else should I do to the undercarriage while the tank is down? Your experience and input would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff Davis '68 350 convertible _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: 69 firebird for sale (not running) From: "Lance Costanzo" <lance@costanzo.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:40:20 -0800 I'm moving and need to get rid of an old 1969 Firebird I've had for 20+ = years. March 1, 2001 deadline. Whole car only, will not part out. You must come and get it. Location is Lemoore (south of Fresno), CA. $250 / O.B.O. Picture and more details: http://www.costanzo.net/69bird/
(back) Subject: Ball Joints From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:56:57 -0600 All, I started the process of changing the lower ball-joints and noticed that = on one side the ball-joint was welded to the control arm. I can't imagine = what would have to happen so the weld was required (probably don't want to = know). So the question becomes, do I weld the new one in, or find a new lower control arm? Does anyone have one? Thanks in advance, ~Dean Larson '69 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: 69 firebird for sale (not running) From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:03:16 -0600 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=3D_560D0C8A.D4B5D9EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To bad you not in Texas=3D20 Frank >>> lance@costanzo.net 01/23/01 12:40PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I'm moving and need to get rid of an old 1969 Firebird I've had for 20+ = =3D years. March 1, 2001 deadline. Whole car only, will not part out. =3D20 You must come and get it. Location is Lemoore (south of Fresno), CA. $250 / O.B.O. Picture and more details: http://www.costanzo.net/69bird/ --=3D_560D0C8A.D4B5D9EE Content-Type: TEXT/HTML Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=3D"TEXT.htm" Content-Description: HTML PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWw= v L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWl= z by04ODU5LTEiIGh0dHAtZXF1aXY9Q29udGVudC1UeXBlPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0iTVNIVE1= M IDUuMDAuMjYxNC4zNTAwIiBuYW1lPUdFTkVSQVRPUj48L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9EWSBzdHlsZT0iRk9= O VDogOHB0IE1TIFNhbnMgU2VyaWY7IE1BUkdJTi1MRUZUOiAycHg7IE1BUkdJTi1UT1A6IDJweCI= + DQo8RElWPlRvIGJhZCB5b3Ugbm90IGluIFRleGFzIDwvRElWPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4= N CjxESVY+RnJhbms8QlI+PEJSPiZndDsmZ3Q7Jmd0OyA8QSANCmhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpsYW5jZUB= j b3N0YW56by5uZXQiPmxhbmNlQGNvc3RhbnpvLm5ldDwvQT4gMDEvMjMvMDEgMTI6NDBQTSANCiZ= n dDsmZ3Q7Jmd0OzxCUj5GaXJzdCBHZW5lcmF0aW9uIEZpcmViaXJkLUwgTWFpbGluZyANCkxpc3Q= 8 QlI+Li4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4= u Li4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLjxCUj5JJ20gDQptb3ZpbmcgYW5kIG5lZWQgdG8gZ2V0IHJpZCB= v ZiBhbiBvbGQgMTk2OSBGaXJlYmlyZCBJJ3ZlIGhhZCBmb3IgMjArIA0KeWVhcnMuPEJSPk1hcmN= o IDEsIDIwMDEgZGVhZGxpbmUuPEJSPldob2xlIGNhciBvbmx5LCB3aWxsIG5vdCBwYXJ0IG91dC4= m bmJzcDsgDQo8QlI+WW91IG11c3QgY29tZSBhbmQgZ2V0IGl0LjxCUj5Mb2NhdGlvbiBpcyBMZW1= v b3JlIChzb3V0aCBvZiBGcmVzbm8pLCANCkNBLjxCUj4kMjUwIC8gTy5CLk8uPEJSPlBpY3R1cmU= g YW5kIG1vcmUgZGV0YWlsczo8QlI+PEEgDQpocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNvc3RhbnpvLm5ldC8= 2 OWJpcmQvIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3LmNvc3RhbnpvLm5ldC82OWJpcmQvPC9BPjxCUj48QlI+PEJSPjx= C Uj48QlI+PC9ESVY+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4NCg=3D=3D --=3D_560D0C8A.D4B5D9EE--
(back) Subject: Fw: Spin the rust basket! 1 From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:14:03 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> To: "L:NIKLAS RIDELL" <VCC2.NRIDELL@MEMO.VOLVO.SE> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Spin the rust basket! 1 > I think it is great that you took the time to put the drawings together, And > if others can bennefit from it, that is what it is all about, The list = is a > great resource of information, and I am happy to contribute when I can. > When I purchased my 67 convertible I knew the only way to do a good > restoration was to be able to flip the car over. I searched the web for > examples and came across charlies site, > so that was what inspired me. (Thank you charlie.) > I had seen very sophisticated designs at car shows that were about $2500.00 > and thought that was way to much. > Thanks again > Todd > >
(back) Subject: Re: hood tach From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:27:38 -0500 My body guy is Bill Kirby. He lives in northern KY, near Cincinnati, OH. He laughs whenever my car brings him referrals. He says there's no money = in restoration; he did mine because he's a friend. He can do three clip jobs = on totaled cars in the time it takes to do a simple repaint on a resto, and = he makes three times the money. But every once in a while he gets the bug to do a resto, and they're = always trophy winners -- he's a master! Bob Trimpe F119flight@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > In a message dated 1/22/01 8:18:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, = trimpe@fuse.net > writes: > > << = ......................................................................... > It's been on about a year -- no cracks or anything. It's actually a = fillet of > JB weld. The body guy is pleased with the result -- he brags on it... > > Bob Trimpe > >> > > Bob, you ought to get commissions for referral work. Your tack looks = great! > Who/where is your body guy? > >
(back) Subject: Re: Full Tank of Gas -- Pee-yew! From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:54:24 -0500 make sure your return line where it is rubber doesn't have a hole in it and raise the hood to be sure your carb is not leaking if all else fails remove the tank again get some rubber lines and bolts stuck in the end of them to stop off the lines coming out of the tank set the tank with the filler neck staight up and fill it up will water all the way to the top of the neck put a piece of hose on the filler hole to extend it if you have to then wait and look for leaks where gas will leak water will to Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: Assembly Books?? From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:47:21 -0500 If these are in someone's collection, they are probably guarding it like gold. If anyone knows of such a beast, let me know so I can copy them and get the information on the web for all to share. Geoff <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> >If anyone has dug up any of the 67 or 68 assembly manuals, >please..please let us know. Hope this helps.
(back) Subject: Re: Coolant recovery tank From: "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:51:36 -0700 One of the best looking recovery tanks I have seen was made from a fire extingisher. He used a small household, one stripped the paint or plastic = off of it, and polished the tank. Fabricate a new top and presto a good = looking recovery tank. Shawn '67 coupe Attila Szabo wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Mark, I "hid" mine inside the passenger side quarterpanel, just behind = the > headlight assembly. Sort of in between the battery and the fender. = took a > little creative bracket bending but it's out of the way and very hard to > see. i have a bent polished hard line going from the radiator cap to = the > can... inside is the rubber line that was used before to guide the = overflow > toward the ground. i could take some picts if anyone wants to see. The > puke can was a $10 part from Pep Boys. > Attila > 68 350 coupe > > > Mark, coolant tanks weren't used until 1971 on GM cars. Anything you = see > before then IS a generic cheap-looking barfcan. It is a good idea, but = if > you cannot adapt a more factory looking part from another GM car of = early > 70's vintage, then maybe you can hide it somewhere. > > Glenn aka birdman
(back) Subject: Re: Sub frame connectors From: <NoPinkTutu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:00:22 EST If you want them welded but don't wanna move the springs, just order the bolt-in's and weld them in. There's plenty of metal to do it. But I'd put = in new cage nuts for your leaf springs and use plenty of good anti-sieze on them. They will be hard to get to with connectors welded in. = Wayne