First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Two Questions by "David Kiklis" <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Re: Disconnecting A TVS Switch? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> 67-68 Camaro Cowl Same As 67 Firebird's? by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> RE: Two Questions: door fuzzies by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Thanks to all for the help. again. by <BHA676@aol.com> i rebuilt the carb and now it leaks.. by <BHA676@aol.com> throttle brackets revisited by <Metthem@aol.com> Re: Disconnecting A TVS Switch? by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Re: Two Questions: door fuzzies by <T2AVLIS@aol.com> Re: Pulley problems by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Re: Two Questions by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> red neck engineering will fix any pully problem... by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Re: help! 4.11 rear end q's by <Porlier68@aol.com> Re: throttle brackets revisited by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> New HEI on Ebay by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: help! 4.11 rear end q's by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: New HEI on Ebay by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> 350/455 by "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: Two Questions From: "David Kiklis" <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46:56 -0500 Question one: Has anyone here installed new window felts? I was about to install my new (outer) window felts, but as these are new as are the door skins, the tabs on the PUI felts and the holes in the doors don't line up. There are provisions for screws for each end of the felt, but what about the middle. Should I drill holes and use screws or rivets? I'm a little worried that the screw heads might scratch the glass. Any ideas??? Question two: Does anyone have a spare convertible rain gutter? I know I can get them from the repro houses, but $135 for this piece of plastic is just a bit hard to take. David Kiklis 69 Firebird
(back) Subject: Re: Disconnecting A TVS Switch? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:45 -0600 TVS Thermostatic Vacuum Switch "Automatic V8 only" This mounts on the front of the intake (the black thingie that had 3 = vacuum hoses plug in to) and allows full vacuum to the vacuum advance when = the motor is cold. When the motor warms up it switches to a ported = vacuum. AMES sells them. If you live is a cold climate keep it. Frank >>> x1r1@hotmail.com 01/19/01 02:39AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... If I had a dad like you... *Wakes up* Disconect and cap hose, remove tvs and plug hole... introduce offending TVS to shop floor with BFH... Slam another coors while gleefully dancing on the remains, yelling 'Down with the EPA!' No! im kidding...Describe the thingy this TVS connects to, or mail me a picture of it(off the list, topic list or firebird), and ill describe its intended action as it relates to your car. Most of them are beneficial, harmless or usless. Then there are the other ones. Rowan*68 >>Ladies and Gents, > >I stumbled upon a survivor 68 350 Coupe that I intend to purchase for my >son. > Because I'm the only list member with a 'Nightshade Green' car I = assumed >that this a rare color - - I was amazed that the car I found is the same >color (recently repainted), also with Parchment interior. More about >that at >a different time. > >When we test drove the car it ran great, and when I looked under the hood >I >noticed that the TVS switch was disconnected. Should I, can I, how do I, >disconnect the switch on my 68 convertible? BTW, my idle stop solenoid >switch has been previously removed. > >Thanks >Steve Lind 68 350 Conv > >
(back) Subject: 67-68 Camaro Cowl Same As 67 Firebird's? From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:17:03 -0500 Is the cowl on a 67-68 Camaro the same as the 67 Firebird's? If not, = anyone know where I can get one? I haven't seen them in Ames, Year One, Paddock, or Performance Years' catalogs. As always, THANK YOU! Marty
(back) Subject: RE: Two Questions: door fuzzies From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0500 David, I screwed mine to the door skins. The screw head clearances don't present = a problem. I painted them black, because the shiny plating stuck out like a sore thumb. If I had it to do again, I think I would have tried a little harder to use the original staples to hold them on. Bob Trimpe Question one: Has anyone here installed new window felts? I was about to install my new (outer) window felts, but as these are new as are the door skins, the tabs on the PUI felts and the holes in the doors don't line up. There are provisions for screws for each end of the felt, but what about the middle. Should I drill holes and use screws or rivets? I'm a little worried that the screw heads might scratch the glass. Any ideas??? David Kiklis 69 Firebird
(back) Subject: Thanks to all for the help. again. From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:20:37 EST thanks again for all who bothered to write full answers to a question that = is asked so often. This list is great! brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: i rebuilt the carb and now it leaks.. From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:26:47 EST After the rebuild of the carb that used to leak air like crazy with the deluxe kit from ames( carb shop) i noticed a immediate increase in power = but i smell gas and i see a leak right under the non stock chrome air cleaner = i know its not original as mine is a 67 400 should be louvered. Is this a = carb problem or a air cleaner problem? should that much gas be around the air cleaner anyway? If not what is the most likely problem? is the casting = of the carb warped? I want to avoid engine fires so this is another asap question! thanks in advance brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: throttle brackets revisited From: <Metthem@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:30:50 EST Curious bout them throttle brackets. The Firebird people (that's you = guys) tell me that the throttle bracket for a 69 firebird with a 4 bbl is = stamped F4. Talked to this 69 GTO owner with his untouched original 350hp engine = and his is stamped T4. Anyone know if these are the same, does F stand for Firebird, what does T stand for? Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Disconnecting A TVS Switch? From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:28:39 -0800 (PST) I am certainly glad to see a discussion about that thing! I've been wondering about it for about five years now. You see, when I bought my Firebird, the port was on the intake but had no vacuum lines attached. During the rebuild, it was removed. Now I wonder = if it would help the carb on cold days here in GA. SO.....can any of you explain the route of the three vacuum lines to be attached? Your help would be appreciated. p.s. -- Thanks Frank for your information. On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:45 -0600, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > TVS > > Thermostatic Vacuum Switch > > "Automatic V8 only" > > This mounts on the front of the intake (the black thingie that had 3 vacuum hoses plug in to) and allows full vacuum to the vacuum advance when the motor is cold. When the motor warms up it switches to a ported = vacuum. AMES sells them. > > If you live is a cold climate keep it. > > Frank _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Re: Two Questions: door fuzzies From: <T2AVLIS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:43:07 EST Ive used pop rivits before and it works well, and looks good too. Tony
(back) Subject: Re: Pulley problems From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:41:18 -0600 Hi Niklas.. I have been told that all you have to do is replace the = timing chain cover (using a 68 400 timing chain cover) and the old style water pump should bolt right up.. That way you can keep all your 68 parts. Others on the list may have similar suggestions... I went through this same thing and mine still isn't lined up 100%
(back) Subject: Re: Two Questions From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:52 -0600 david, if you have a large bookstore nearby, there is a Camaro resotration book that has a ver detailed, step by step on replacing windo weatherstipping. I cannot recall the name of it but it might be one of = the MOtotbooks serise with a blue cover and a 1st and second gen camaro parked side by side in a drive way. It makes it look very easy.. Joe Rotman 68 350 Firebird Convertible
(back) Subject: red neck engineering will fix any pully problem... From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:14:22 -0700 RED NECK IT!! nick thats what i did. jsut get some good steel washers = or carefully cut legnths of steel pipe with the ends filed nice and flat sand them down and paint them the desired color. make sure that you have good srtong grade 8 bolts to handle the extra twist that the spacers will make. this won't work ofcourse if you want your car to be original, but if you want something cheap that will work, try it out. make sure that the = inside diameter of the pipe or washers is as close as possible to the bolt diameter, and that the pipe has really thick walls. good luck!! -danny = 68 400 nm
(back) Subject: Re: help! 4.11 rear end q's From: <Porlier68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:42:42 EST I currently have a 4.11 rear end in my bird. works fine. I have to get = rid of it to get some sort of top end (even though off the line it's killer!). = What is a fair price to ask? GP
(back) Subject: Re: throttle brackets revisited From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:56:50 -0800 (PST) Gary writes: >Curious bout them throttle brackets. The Firebird people (that's you = guys) >tell me that the throttle bracket for a 69 firebird with a 4 bbl is = stamped >F4. Talked to this 69 GTO owner with his untouched original 350hp engine = and >his is stamped T4. Anyone know if these are the same, does F stand for >Firebird, what does T stand for? How about T for Tempest, which is the body the GTO is based upon? I'm just guessing here, but the parts books often refer to parts application specific to F(Firebird), P(big Pontiacs), and T(Tempest). -Bob Cisneros San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: New HEI on Ebay From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:11:05 -0800 Does anyone know about this "new" HEI on Ebay? Will it fit in my '68 350 without hammering in my firewall? I noticed another one just like for $153 with no reserve. Is that good price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5448621= 78&r=3D0&t=3D0 Thanks Al
(back) Subject: Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:24:44 -0600 Joe, There are 3.90 gears on the Classical Pontiac web sight $100. Get a new = Aurborn unit from Toms Diff $350 or I bet he has a used one http://www.tomsdifferentials.com/tomp.htm and the install kit $110. Pay someone to set it up. $100 Last, see if the GTO guy will sell you all the parts out of his. It might = have a 4 pinion posi unit in it. Frank >>> cione@aoml.noaa.gov 01/19/01 06:40AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... guys, Quick q. I am looking for a 3.90 rear end for my 68 bird. I ran into a guy online selling a 3.90 (see description below). 2 questions, should his set up work seamlessly on my 68 Bird (even though its originally from a 64 gto)? Also whats a fair ballpark price (hes asking 750 for teh entire set up). Shipping has got to be prety steep I imagine. Anywway thanks in advance for your help.... Joe PS as an aside will a 1967 bird 3.90 rearend swap seamlessly into a 68 bird (ie no mods)? With the staggered leaf spring setup ushered in in 1968 I wasnt sure if there were other 'issues' I should be aware of. I realize thats not what this guy is selling but I also may have a line on a 67 bird 3.90 (not as likely to get a chance on that deal though...) thanks!! --------- his description: Joe, the rear is a 'ZK' code, 3.90 posi with metallic brakes. I took this rearend out of a 64 GTO that had been converted to leaf springs. GTO's originally came with coil springs. Someone welded leaf spring perches on the rearend and installed it in the 64 GTO. The single vs the multi leaf spring issue doesn't matter with regard to the rearend housing. the main thing is the width of the housing. I need to know the width of the rearend in you car (inside drum to drum) and the width (centerline to centerline) of the perches.
(back) Subject: Re: help! 4.11 rear end q's From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:36:21 -0600 I sold mine for 200. Another one of the school of hard knocks things. I = was a lot of fun for about a month but very impractical. Don't forget to = tell the Cheby guys that the 10 bolt Pontiac is a lot beefier then cheby = 10 bolts. I did get it down to a hour for rear-end switch outs. Frank >>> Porlier68@aol.com 01/19/01 02:42PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I currently have a 4.11 rear end in my bird. works fine. I have to get = rid of it to get some sort of top end (even though off the line it's killer!). = What is a fair price to ask? GP
(back) Subject: Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) Joe Cione writes: >Quick q. I am looking for a 3.90 rear end for my 68 bird. I ran >into a guy online selling a 3.90 (see description below). > >2 questions, should his set up work seamlessly on my 68 Bird (even >though its originally from a 64 gto)? Also whats a fair ballpark >price (hes asking 750 for teh entire set up). Shipping has got to be >prety steep I imagine. Anywway thanks in advance for your help.... I know that the desire for better gearing and perhaps a posi can be pretty strong, but I'd walk away from this. Price-wise, he wants too much, plus you'll pay a hefty price to ship since it has to go by truck. Most Firebird 8.2 inch rears w/decent gears and posi sell for somewhere between $250 and $500. This guy wants $750 and then you'll spend another $150 to $200 to ship it. His price is close to 12 bolt country. Secondly, you can't be sure what you're getting. What did this rearend originally come out of? He says someone welded leaf spring perches on it, and then somehow cobbled a leaf spring setup under a GTO? If this was originally a GTO rear, it's probably too wide to properly fit your car. And the chances that it'll bolt up to your car without hassle are pretty slim. The odds are better that you'll be hit by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket. You'll spend close to $900 to get it delivered to your door, then spend more to make the changes it'll need to get it to bolt under your car. >PS as an aside will a 1967 bird 3.90 rearend swap seamlessly into a >68 bird (ie no mods)? With the staggered leaf spring setup ushered >in in 1968 I wasnt sure if there were other 'issues' I should be >aware of. I realize thats not what this guy is selling but I also >may have a line on a 67 bird 3.90 (not as likely to get a chance on >that deal though...) The one gotchya with this is that the '67 cars were mono leaf springed, and most of the '68 cars are multi leaf. The perches are slightly different, so your car may sit a bit higher than before. Use your '68 shock plates and you won't have to worry about the staggered shock thing. You know, the two common threads I see here are that you want 3.90 gears, and want it to bolt seamlessly into your car. Why a 3.90 ratio? Setting the car up for drag racing mostly? Running a super tall tire? Most of the street driven cars here seem to work pretty well with gears somewhere between 3.55 and 3.08. For the most seamless swap, go to your local boneyards, look for any 1969 or earlier Pontiac or Olds, regardless of size, and find one with an 8.2 inch rear, and the gears you want. Take out the carrier assembly, and have a shop install that in your present rear housing. You won't have to worry about pinion angle, parking brakes, driveshaft or u-joint changes, or much else. Al Rojas did this, didn't spend much money, and was very happy with the results. Please don't think I was trying to be hard on you. But this looks like someone is selling you some heartache that you should avoid. Don't go there. -Bob Cisneros San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: help! 3.90 rear end q's From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:21:16 -0800 Dito - what Bob said! He's a smart guy unlike me.
(back) Subject: Re: New HEI on Ebay From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:42:57 -0800 (PST) Al Rojas writes: >Does anyone know about this "new" HEI on Ebay? Will it fit in my '68 >350 without hammering in my firewall? > >I noticed another one just like for $153 with no reserve. Is that good >price? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D544862= 178&r=3D0 >&t=3D0 Al, Back in August I contacted the same seller who told me that their reserve was $148.00 plus shipping, and that they would sell it for that amount. I thought it was a good deal, but decided to wait. It's a Proform product, about whom I've not heard any bad feedback regarding their stuff. Summit sells that same distibutor for $172.99 plus shipping. So Speedracer's price is good, assuming they'll stand behind the product. When you consider it's a new distributor, with a coil, cap, rotor, and all new high performance internals, you are getting a good deal. The Accel and MSD HEI distributors sell for more than $200. A rebuilt HEI sells for around $100. That's without a cap, or coil. Regarding fit. Some have had good luck, and others needed to clearance their firewalls. My car had an HEI in it when I bought it, and the firewall was dented. When I preped the car for paint, I took the dent out of the firewall. The distributor still fit when I put the engine back in. I did need to rotate it so that the vacuum canister didn't hit the firewall, and still give me some timing adjustability. I think you'll be able to get it in without creating a mess. -Bob Cisneros San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: 350/455 From: "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:41:20 -0000 hey well you've maybe heard about the 76' 2bbl 350 sitting under my hood, but = i have done some work and i'm kinda left wondering. I kinda got a chuckle about this, maybe its just me? I have the stock blue block 350, but i am swapping on a set of 455 heads, and a super duty 455 intake (73-74). Now i was thinking i may as well call = this combo a 350/455 hybrid. what do you think? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.