First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Molding by "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> RE: Replacement Seats by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> 4 barrel intake swap by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Re: Engine & Trans removal - thanks by "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> 2 2 4 by <Metthem@aol.com> Re: Big Tires by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Moving Shocks Inboard by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> 2 2 4 update by <Metthem@aol.com> Re custom seat belts by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Poncholet by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Matching Numbers? by <Dfmcgr@cs.com> ADMN: Please be patient by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> ADMN: Test =3D failure by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Molding From: "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:40:43 -0800 Thanks John - checked the site out and sent off a message and will see what I get back. Thanks Rowan - asked my body shop guy (the one that painted my car) about checking the bone yards - he said that the molding there would most likely be in the same condition as mine as they just weren't made to last (geeze, way back in '84, I just thought it was the new cars that aren't made to last) tee hee - I think I will take a look see just for the heck anyway.
(back) Subject: RE: Replacement Seats From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:51:06 -0500 Hi Steve, Classic Industries or Year One has everything you need. I purchased these items for my 69 and an very satisfied with the product. Mace 69 Firebird Conv. Does anyone know where I can buy new seat buns and springs for the back seats for my 68 Firebird Convertible? ANYTHING, even Camaro parts? Thanks. Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible My Firebird Site: http://members.nbci.com/srb/ SteveBrady1@aol.com
(back) Subject: 4 barrel intake swap From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:16:43 -0500 > > > > Thanks for the info Bob, > > Thanks for the info > It was mentioned that the car is a 68, but not very clearly. Can you > tell me what I would have to do to an EGR intake work with my > application. Will I be able to use the intake that Larry offered. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > >> > When changing from a stock 2 barrel >> > setup, to a 4 barrel, what parts are >> > need to be changed, and what donor >> > years are ok. The car is a 68 350 >> > automatic, and I have a freshly >> > rebuilt Q jet. >> > > > > >> It's not a difficult swap, but there are a few >> gotchyas to >> look out for. >> >> -Spreadbore intake castings are pretty >> much the same >> from 1968 thru 1972. In 1973, Pontiac started using >> >> an EGR valve, and in 1976 or 1977, the intake was >> redesigned with more >> restritive ports. Thes are >> identified with an odd waffle imprint on >> the rear >> of the intake, behind the carb flange. These >> >> characteristics make these later intakes less >> desireable. Some 4bbl. >> intakes before 1968 were >> for squarebore carbs (using Carter AFB >> carbs), >> and the 1967 Qjet intake has an odd heat passage >> on the >> carb flange. >> >> -Throttle cables and cable brackets differ from >> 2 >> bbl. and 4 bbl. applications. You will find >> that your 2 bbl. cable >> will not give you a full >> range of motion and may require some >> fabrication >> to get full throttle. Reproduction 4 bbl. cables >> are >> now available from Performance Years. You'll >> have to hunt th! >> e scrap yards for the bracket, or >> modify yours. >> >> Here's a link >> to GTOKen's page on his modifications. >> >> <http://www.ipa.net/~gtoken >> /cable.html> >> >> -More on throttle brackets. Pontiac used a >> rod >> for 1967 cars, and then went to a cable for the >> 1968 and later >> cars. This cable is very different >> from that used in later Chevy >> applications. >> Around 1970 or 1971, the cable and bracket design >> >> changed again, eventually evolving to be more >> like the Chevy design. >> So, beware of cables or >> brackets from earlier or later cars (you >> don't >> indicate what year your car is). >> >> -You'll need a 4bbl. >> aircleaner. If you insist on >> a stock look, try ebay Classical >> Pontiac's classified >> pages. >> >> >> -Bob Cisneros San Jose, >> CA >> 1968 Convertible >> >> bob.cisneros@E! >> bay.Sun.COM >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------ >> >> >> >> > >
(back) Subject: Re: Engine & Trans removal - thanks From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:43:17 -0600 Bricks ...... rethink that one... use jack stands. Safety is worth doing right all the time. Thanks Kevin kyoung@sagelink.net http://www.n-link.com/~kyoung Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Cc: <dbarkla@mga.au.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Engine & Trans removal - thanks > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Thanks Keith & everyone else who responded. I'll be having a go at it > within then next 2 weeks. I hear where you're coming from regarding > changes in weight distribution when I start taking things apart. I've = got > 4 stands rated at 6 ton each and a big mother of a rolling Jack....and = I'm > pretty anal about safety..I'll prop the body up with bricks and use the = 4 > stands on the rails, 2 at each end. I'll let everyone know how things = get > on.......cheers, Dale '68 conv. (on holidays for 2 weeks and will be > playing in the garage ! :-(||) > > Dale > > > A few years ago, a local body shop did a "frame off" on a 68 Bird. > > I saw the front rails, block,tranny, and even front tires sitting = there > > independantly from the rest off the car. So it can obviously be done. > > As for how.... > > Your idea sounds good so far. Moving the car and not the front end > > makes sense. A couple BIG rolling jacks would work. (Bigger is better > > when trying to break bones). I wouldn't use the type that come in the > > box w/ the two 'Free' jack stands. > > Remember,also, that when things come apart, the center of gravity > > changes. I would double up on the stands, wood blocks, etc. > > You are dealing with a lot of awkward weight. > > Good luck- and let me know how it goes. I'm planning the same thing. > > > Keith > > 69 Convert.
(back) Subject: 2 2 4 From: <Metthem@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:44:02 EST I am switching form a 2 bbl to a 4 bbl carb on my 69 350, does anyone = have the correct throttle cable bracket(s) I will need, and that they are = willing to part with? Please email me privately at Metthem@aol.com Thanx, Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Big Tires From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:20:09 -0800 Doh! You busted me Bob. by 'inner wells', I was refering to the sheetmetal part which keeps debris = from flying up inside the body of the car(as opposed to the fender cutout = in the body), especialy the tight clearance area around the outboard edge of the tire. Not much you can do about the inboard edge of the tire, it is mostly vertical, and the frame (if you can call it that)is right there. I = too find the paint usualy flakes a little, but not as bad as if you use = the BFH. I had success on a '65 Buick...Metal doesn't get much heavier. Have mercy on me, I have not been practicing English even 30 years yet. :P Rowan *68 cuope >Rowan writes: > > A gentler way to strech you inner wells is to load up the trunk, > > >insert a baseball bat between the fender and tire, andhave an > > >assistant drive the car back and forth while you guide the bat. I > > = > > >understand a slight tub job can be done in a week end. Personaly, I > > >think a 2" flare keeping the original lines of the fenders would > = >look >very cool. > >I've used this method to pursuade the outside lip of the wheel >opening of later model cars, with thinner sheetmetal. I think >that the thicker material of our older cars may offer a great >deal more resistance, and might be more difficult. And if your >car has descent paint, or has even been recently painted as >has my car, you may want to really think twice before doing >this. There is considerable risk of at least causing the >paint to crack or peal off, or even creasing the metal. > >I can't really visualize how one could use this method for >the inner wheel house. > >-Bob Cisneros San Jose, CA > 1968 Convertible > > bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Moving Shocks Inboard From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:12:01 -0500 Hi Everyone, I own a 69 Firebird Droptop. I am thinking of moving the shocks = inboard to accomodate larger size tires. If I reverse the lower bracket that is currently holding the shock in place, will the shocks still fit without welding. For example, taking the drivers side lower bracket and switching = it with the passanger side. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks...Mace Mace 69 Firebird Conv.
(back) Subject: 2 2 4 update From: <Metthem@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:17:24 EST Just happen to see one on eBay, selling in 2 hours after asking for the bracket, hope this is what I need though; it is the bracket that mounts on = the intake. Is this what I needed to switch from a 2 bbl to a 4, or do I = need the throttle bracket that mounts on the carb? I don't have the carb here, = my buddy (the mechanic) has that at his place. Gary
(back) Subject: Re custom seat belts From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:02:46 -0500 Subject: Re: custom ??? From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:58:51 EST From: fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net (Chris Porter) >Did the custom interior automatically come with custom >seatbelt's ?? Thanks. ....No. Did some '68 Firebirds invoiced with Std. SeatBelts come with Custom Seat Belts ? Yes. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32 I ll back that up Ive got 2 custom interiored cars that have standard belts and 2 standard interior cars that have deluxe belts. Go figure???? Seat belts were a different option than the interior option. Same as the shoulder belts. Just because you ordered deluxe seat belts doesnt mean you got shoulder belts. Rarest would be the convert that had deluxe shoulder = belts. Gary
(back) Subject: Poncholet From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:58:50 -0800 >Chris ,that wouldnt happent to be an orange 70 that was around Jacksonville was it? Gary Nope, it's up here in Seattle area. In fact, the motor is for sale, I think he wanted $5000.00. A LOT of coin, but one healthy Pontiac for sure. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Matching Numbers? From: <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:08:03 EST In a message dated 1/12/01 11:35:15 PM Central Standard Time, paintit@gate.net writes: << Let's face it- once a car has lost it's original engine, it's not the same car. And the value goes down. A numbers matching, reasonably optioned 400 convert.? 13-16k isn't too far fetched. I'd pay 6,000 for a non-numbers one. If I found a car I wanted (72 RA 455 Formula) and it had a non #s 455 in it, I'd still buy it. I just wouldn't have to pay the extra 20K :) Make sure YOU are sure what those "damaged" tags and plates say. It could be a 10,000 dollar issue. As for #s and locations, a Year One Catalog is a handy source. Is the tranny an auto or 4 speed? Numbers are in different locations for Muncie and Borg Warner sticks. Ask to see the PHS on the car. If it's a #s matching worth high dollar, the guy should have the PHS and other documentation. Protecto plate, etc... How much does he want? >> Thanks Keith, I've got little more information from the owner now. The VIN on the dash = is there, as is the number on the engine. Says he has PHS documentation. (I asked him to fax it to me) It is a 330 hp 400 w/th400 automatic. Engine = code is YT. Hope I don't sound too dumb but I assume the only way to be sure that the = VIN and engine #'s match is with the PHS documentation. I assume there is no direct correlation in the numbers. The problem seems to be that the body plate usually attached to the = firewall is gone. The car is located about 600 miles away, so I want to make sure = it's right before I travel to see it. Asking price is 12k.(standard int., clock, power conv. top, Rallye II = wheels, ps,pb, sport wheel. Thanks for your help. I'm really impressed with the bank of knowledge = within this list serve. My first car was a 69 coupe bought in 1978 and sold in = 1985. Been wanting to get another one for years.
(back) Subject: ADMN: Please be patient From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:51:48 -0500 For me to test the new processor, I need to send some test messages to the list. Not sure if it is going to work so I apologize now for the inconvenience. For the test: <HTML> <B>test this thing.</B> <I>If it works, you will only see the text and none of the HTML garbage</I> <STRONG>If it works, more information will follow. Not sure if it will catch all the special coding since there is a new variant every day</STRONG> <P>I see a normal message made it through so that is a good sign. Here we go.</P> Geoff
(back) Subject: ADMN: Test =3D failure From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:50:42 -0500 As some of you might have guessed, I did not have any luck getting the new processor to work properly for the AOL 6.0 problem. It is going to take a bit more time and a couple heads to get this worked out. I apologize again for the people who kept getting my posts until I turn off the subscriber lists. I will keep plugging away at this for a possible solution (fingers crossed). Geoff <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>