First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Ralley II paint schemes... by "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Re: Matching Numbers? by "K and J Arnold" <paintit@gate.net> Re: 4 barrel intake swap by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Replacement Seats by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Re: balancing by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> re: Power steering conversion by "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> Rims and tires for sale??? by "Carle Manley" <manley-carle@webtv.net> 68 bird for sale by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Engine & Trans removal - thanks by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re: name removal by "Kevin J. Livingston" <kjdoc@home.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Ralley II paint schemes... From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:25:52 -0600 See, that chain email told all that stuff would happen if you didn't sent = it to 500 other folks.... yesterday Haaahaaa Thanks Kevin kyoung@sagelink.net http://www.n-link.com/~kyoung Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. > >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> > > >Ahh shucks I didnt mean no harm. It was late and my brain was tired. You > >see I've only had about 500 people tell me it's the wrong color. Plus = I > >lost my job, my hamster got loose, the shower broke, the pipes froze, = I > >wallets missing, My GMC was stolen, my wife - well my wife, my pot pie > >didnt cook all the way through, my neighbor shot himself, all the fish died > >this year in the lake across the street, my kite got stuck in the power > >lines, I shot a button buck <--that really sucks, the battery in my phone > >went dead, my head hurts, my belts to tight and I cant do the boogie = left > >and right. So all I've got is that d*#n paint on that engine. Thanks > >John.
(back) Subject: Re: Matching Numbers? From: "K and J Arnold" <paintit@gate.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:50:11 -0500 Let's face it- once a car has lost it's original engine, it's not the same car. And the value goes down. A numbers matching, reasonably optioned 400 convert.? 13-16k isn't too far fetched. I'd pay 6,000 for a non-numbers one. If I found a car I wanted (72 RA 455 Formula) and it had a non #s 455 in it, I'd still buy it. I just wouldn't have to pay the extra 20K :) Make sure YOU are sure what those "damaged" tags and plates say. It could be a 10,000 dollar issue. As for #s and locations, a Year One Catalog is a handy source. Is the tranny an auto or 4 speed? Numbers are in different locations for Muncie and Borg Warner sticks. Ask to see the PHS on the car. If it's a #s matching worth high dollar, the guy should have the PHS and other documentation. Protecto plate, etc... How much does he want? Good luck Keith
(back) Subject: Re: 4 barrel intake swap From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@EBay.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:56:14 -0800 (PST) Steve Manktelow writes: >When changing from a stock 2 barrel setup, to a 4 barrel, what parts are >need to be changed, and what donor years are ok. The car is a 68 350 >automatic, and I have a freshly rebuilt Q jet. It's not a difficult swap, but there are a few gotchyas to look out for. -Spreadbore intake castings are pretty much the same from 1968 thru 1972. In 1973, Pontiac started using an EGR valve, and in 1976 or 1977, the intake was redesigned with more restritive ports. Thes are identified with an odd waffle imprint on the rear of the intake, behind the carb flange. These characteristics make these later intakes less desireable. Some 4bbl. intakes before 1968 were for squarebore carbs (using Carter AFB carbs), and the 1967 Qjet intake has an odd heat passage on the carb flange. -Throttle cables and cable brackets differ from 2 bbl. and 4 bbl. applications. You will find that your 2 bbl. cable will not give you a full range of motion and may require some fabrication to get full throttle. Reproduction 4 bbl. cables are now available from Performance Years. You'll have to hunt the scrap yards for the bracket, or modify yours. Here's a link to GTOKen's page on his modifications. <http://www.ipa.net/~gtoken/cable.html> -More on throttle brackets. Pontiac used a rod for 1967 cars, and then went to a cable for the 1968 and later cars. This cable is very different from that used in later Chevy applications. Around 1970 or 1971, the cable and bracket design changed again, eventually evolving to be more like the Chevy design. So, beware of cables or brackets from earlier or later cars (you don't indicate what year your car is). -You'll need a 4bbl. aircleaner. If you insist on a stock look, try ebay Classical Pontiac's classified pages. -Bob Cisneros San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Replacement Seats From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:09:37 EST Does anyone know where I can buy new seat buns and springs for the back = seats for my 68 Firebird Convertible? ANYTHING, even Camaro parts? Thanks. Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible My Firebird Site: http://members.nbci.com/srb/ SteveBrady1@aol.com
(back) Subject: Re: balancing From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:53:52 -0800 Internal balancing Yes , I do not think the fluid damper will make a difference . Balancing seems to give the motor smoother and quicker acceleration . My engine builder told me all I need is a stock type damper = , also all my parts where balanced together balancer to flex plate . Joe
(back) Subject: re: Power steering conversion From: "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:55:33 -0500 Niklas, you will have to get some hoses made because the later box uses metric fittings.Did you get the old hoses from the new box?? If so you can remove the fittings at the steering box and install them on your present hoses. I would like to know how this works out for you so keep us up to date. Clayton 68 350 HO
(back) Subject: Rims and tires for sale??? From: "Carle Manley" <manley-carle@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:14:05 -0800 (PST) I was just ripping thru my mail and accidently deleted the name of the guy who had the centerlines (pizza cutters) for sale. His wife did not like them. Send me a message, I will gladly take them off your hands. Thanks
(back) Subject: 68 bird for sale From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:02:48 -0800 Anyone in the northeast looking for another bird to work on? Wish it was closer to me:>{ http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5407588= 68 Chuck 68 350 Conv (soon to be back from the paint shop!!!!)
(back) Subject: Engine & Trans removal - thanks From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:33:54 +1100 Thanks Keith & everyone else who responded. I'll be having a go at it within then next 2 weeks. I hear where you're coming from regarding changes in weight distribution when I start taking things apart. I've got = 4 stands rated at 6 ton each and a big mother of a rolling Jack....and I'm = pretty anal about safety..I'll prop the body up with bricks and use the 4 stands on the rails, 2 at each end. I'll let everyone know how things get on.......cheers, Dale '68 conv. (on holidays for 2 weeks and will be playing in the garage ! :-(||) > Dale > A few years ago, a local body shop did a "frame off" on a 68 Bird. > I saw the front rails, block,tranny, and even front tires sitting there > independantly from the rest off the car. So it can obviously be done. > As for how.... > Your idea sounds good so far. Moving the car and not the front end > makes sense. A couple BIG rolling jacks would work. (Bigger is better > when trying to break bones). I wouldn't use the type that come in the > box w/ the two 'Free' jack stands. > Remember,also, that when things come apart, the center of gravity > changes. I would double up on the stands, wood blocks, etc. > You are dealing with a lot of awkward weight. > Good luck- and let me know how it goes. I'm planning the same thing. > Keith > 69 Convert.
(back) Subject: Re: name removal From: "Kevin J. Livingston" <kjdoc@home.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:21:29 -0500 I guess the time has come to bid farewell. It's hard to keep getting e-mails about 1st generation Firebirds realizing yours will be gone in few more weeks. Please drop me from the string at your earliest convenience. Thanks to all of you for your "support" and information these past few years, keep this string going strong, it is very useful. Kevin, former owner '69 400